NAR Prez on Wall Street Journal Story

May 08, 2004 50 Replies

Yes, I do. I think a regulation that requires propellant, in the forms and formulas found in sport rocketry products, to be classified for shipment as "Class 1 Explosives", is in fact excessive. I believe that classification overstates the actual hazard characteristics of the material, and creates unnecessary logistical and regulatory obstacles to its commerce and movement.

What's that supposed to mean?

-dave w

What is interesting about his comment is:

  1. It is true.

  1. I have the paperwork to prove it.

  2. The DOT of course is going to defend its improper position even if it has to lie and cheat to achieve it, EXACTLY LIKE THE ATF DID.

  1. I am in a position to do something about it for the first time in decades.

  2. The very people "piling on" me and ALSO stating or implying that the material NEEDS the excessive regulation, are the very ones who will be benefited if I succeed.

The fine is the fine. My goal is the proper treatment of the material. I have jurisdiction.

Tech Post Jerry

Jerry isn't merely complaining against excessive regulation. He's still advising people to do take the same approach that earned him a $40k fine.

BS

You cannot even keep DOT and ATF straight much less a cogent thought.

That's not what the DOT said. They said your paperwork is invalid.

How does getting stuck with a $40k fine do anything to change the DOT's position?

YOU have jurisdiction? The authorities have jurisdiction, not you. All you have a big fine and a bunch of invalid papers.

Nothing I have ever explained to you has stuck. I am not going to waste my time.

Jerry

Try using English instead of Weasel.

Seriously, how does illegally shipping motors and getting stuck with a huge fine have anything to do with changing the DOT's position?

You are INCAPABLE of understanding.

Not my fault.

Look how many times you have been called a liar with PROOF.

Look how many times you have been called stupid.

Your learning disability or whatever it is, is not my fault.

Jerry

Ok, so explain it for the rest of rmr. I'm sure everyone would be interested in knowing how your illegal shipping and the resultant huge fine will have any effect on changing DOT policies.

Mark, I'll grant you're in a better position to know if the tide is turning. I sure hope it's so!

But I'll believe it when I see the exposed beach getting bigger, not smaller or staying the same...

And anyway, tides are cyclical.

side to lose >> in the long run.

Politics eats science and rationale for quick snacks. When there's a tsunami of *politics* on our side THEN I'll know we're winning.

+McG+

One effect, he will not have the funds to come to LDRS this year, as planed.. I was so looking foward to meeting the "man with the plan"; forty grand in hand, willing to make a stand. (;-)

Fred

Were these documents, issued to YOU, in YOUR name?

Because, if not, they are worthless.

How ironic. You waste everybody ELSE's time ALL the time. Your toxic self-worship has destroyed this group. But you don't give a s*it...because even if you're universally loathed...at least people are paying attention to you. And that's it what it's all about.

Your statemant is nothing but FUD.. Your only "POST-ADMINISTRATIVE jurisdiction" is to pay 40 grand in "DOT POST-ADMINISTRATIVE" punitive fines...

Fred

THAT should be in the FAQ!

-Kevin

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