pros and cons list for Pro38 and Aerotech engines.

Personally, I don't really care what TRA thinks. If that means I fly independent so be it. I will probably be doing so anyways since I want to try my hand in EX.

Look:

Comprehensive NAR/TRA Motor Certification List

June 22, 1993

CC Designation Mfgr Dur Avg Th TI Rating Type Pro Group E6-0,4,8 USR 6.7 6.0 40.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR E10-0,4,8 USR 4.0 10.0 40.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR E25-0,4,8,12 USR 1.6 25.0 40.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR E55-0,5,10,15 USR 0.7 55.0 40.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR F9-0,4,8 USR 5.6 9.0 50.0 62.5 Exp AP NAR F10-0,4,8 USR 8.0 10.0 80.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR F20-0,4,8,12 USR 4.0 20.0 80.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR F80-0,5,10,15,20 USR 1.0 80.0 80.0 100.0 Exp AP NAR G25-0,5,10,15 USR 4.8 25.0 120.0 75.0 Exp AP NAR

Sorry, but I go to the source. Not the vendors website.

Bob

They light so fast that I've heard RSOs getting ragged at for launching too early........the anticipated count of hitting the button at 1 is not needed for ProXX, just hit the button and it lights.....no lag at all

After you do one, you've done them all......no need for instructions on the second launch

Easy, easy, easy clean up

Consistent delay timing

The vendor FABRICATED/EDITED it? Seriously?

Jerry

Sorry dude....but your wrong.

Ive had Brand new freshly manufactured black jack motors since late October. Als Hobbies had a ton and so did Commonwealth.

Has anyone brought this up directly with NAR to find out if you can use D.R. hardware and if you can to see if they can change the wording. Or would that be as productive as ramming your head against a brick wall??

As someone who criticizes NAR for a lot of SPECIFIC things, I find in this area they are actually cooperative and helpful.

Jerry

ok, I didn't originaly post it, so I can't be sure of the basis.

my question, Do other reloads fit aerotech cases? regardless if AT will stand behind them.

PRO38

Pros,

great for clusters and air starts.

Use Orxl match, heck light 4 on an airstart, no worries.

light them as second stages, No worries.

/ArtU

At least AT has the cert documents there for us to see. And you accuse them of fabricating them. You post links to documents on vserv all the time, that you say proves you got hosed or whatever. I guess you could fabricate those documents as well, huh? Your creditability is caw-caw Mr. Irvine.

I'm much more inclined to believe AT then a confirmed blowhard like you.

-- Joe Michel NAR 82797 L1

Series Loadmaker Certs (mostly) DOT Class DOT-E (if) ATF* RMS-18 AeroTech Yes 1.4S 7887 Exempt RMS-24 AeroTech Yes 1.4S 7887 Exempt RMS-29 AeroTech Yes 1.4S 7887 Exempt RMS-29 U.S. Rockets No (refused) 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-38 AeroTech Yes 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-38 U.S. Rockets No (refused) 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-54 AeroTech Yes 1.3C 10996 LEUP RMS-54 U.S. Rockets No (refused) 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-54 CTI Pending 1.4C 7887 LEUP RMS-75 AeroTech Yes 1.3C 10996 LEUP RMS-75 U.S. Rockets No (refused) 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-75 CTI Pending 1.4C 7887 LEUP RMS-98 AeroTech Yes 1.3C 10996 LEUP RMS-98 U.S. Rockets No (refused) 1.4C 7887 Exempt RMS-98 CTI Pending 1.4C 7887 LEUP

• - Based on requirements of vendors or their dealers, NOT the LAW.

- CTI is OEM also for AMW brand

- USR shares an OEM with other final brands.

- If I have misstated any 1.4C which should be G I am sorry.

Jerry

This should be in the FAQ.

Nope.

I asked.

Period.

here are the CTI 64.5g reloads and expirations as of 11/15/3

137G60-12A 3-31-05 TRA

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Bob

AT hardware only for a G-64? Dr. Rocket doesn't even make that case. I use Dr. Rocket hardware, and I will continue to use it, no matter what you and Jerry say. So will everyone else. Why don't you email Bunny and tell us all what he says, since you are so worried about it.

-- Joe Michel NAR 82797 L1

Everyone knows Dr. Rocket hardware will keep being used and will do so in full comfort. The POINT is it is TECHNICALLY illlegal under the conditions as they exist with the myriad of rules and policies PUT IN PLACE by NAR and TRA.

Some people simply advocate fewer rules. Is that so much to ask given rocket associations can actually decide how many rules are needed then author (or edit/eliminate) them accordingly?

Seriously.

The second issue is Aerotech is allowed to "slide" in a variety of ways by both NAR and TRA and U.S. Rockets (or its OEM's) are subjected to scrutiny superior to national security.

It is hypocritical, unfair, and blatant restraint of trade and some day people are going to get tired of this s*it and sue.

Lawsuits are harmful to all parties except for the attorneys (and their children's college funds) or the rare and elusive "clear victor".

Jerry

For starters, look at the same motor. Bob noted 3 DIFFERENT motors than Joe. Would a G64 not have a remark about the case because that combination will not work with the rest of the 29mm cases? That aside, look just at the H210. If you look at the NAR documentation, it's in one {pretty} format. Look at all the Aerotech documents, it's in a different {field report looking} format. If the manufacturer submitted the document or it was given from data taken by the testers, I would assume it be in the form on Aerotech's page. NAR's data looks like it was prepared for 'viewing'.

All of that aside, in the situation where given a format to copy for multiple documents I have never made a cut and paste error. That is not to say that that did not occur on which ever of these pages had the format change.

Is it not possible the doof (I mean that in a good way) having to make the files prity copied a template which happened to include (or exclude) the casing comment?

Geesh, conspiracies and accusations everywhere....

Joel. phx