hi Joel.... comments/responses inline....
"Joel Corwith" wrote in message news:OLFJb.135$ snipped-for-privacy@news.uswest.net...
which part do you want the cite ?
And this is increasingly becoming ZERO.......and is part of the NAR/TRA agenda.... Once ALL 50 states adopt the NFPA codes, then the NAR/TRA will have jurisdiction over model rocketry and high power rocketry in ALL 50 states....and there will be no room for any other form of rocketry
My point here was the NAR has a definite problem with motors being commercially sold in which they do not provide the certification of ... or more to the point, commercially manufactured motors they have no control over.... There is NO law that says a rocket motor has to be certified by either the NAR/TRA to be sold and used in this country, other than the states that have adopted the NFPA codes... Its apparent that the NAR/TRA will not allow any commercially manufactured motors that are not certified by their respective organizations certifications procedures, to be sold in commerce in the United States.
You can ONLY purchase non NAR/TRA certfied commercial motors in non NFPA compliant states..... If all the states adopt the NFPA codes, then no commercial motors will be allowed for sale in those states without NAR/TRA certification..... The NAR/TRA utilize the NFPA to extend their control and influence over all commercial motors in all states......
let me provide an example...
Lets say tomorrow I decide yo commercially sell rocket motors....not modle rocket motors, but HPR rocket motors.... And lets say I manufacture in a non NFPA compliant state.....And lets say I send these motors to the DOT testing lab and get an EX number..... I now have legal commercial motors, except in states that have adopted the NFPA codes...why? Because ONLY NAR/TRA certified motors are allowed in commerce in NFPA compliant states....
Where can I sell these motors at? ONLY in non compliant NFPA states to independent rocketeers, ie NON NAR/TRA members.... But what happens when the NAR/TRA through the NFPA, becomes law in all 50 states? Then I could not even sell my commercial motors to non NAR/TRA members because the NFPA codes are now state law in all 50 states.....
Does anybody remember WHEN the NAR 1st started certifying model rocket engines? circa 1958........10 years prior to the 1st NFPA 41-L which became NFPA 1122..... Does anybody remember WHY the NAR started certifying model rocket engines? There was several reasons... Remember that the legality of model rocketry during its 1st 10 years was shaky at best. People in several states where actually arrested on shooting up model rockets!(they all won their cases by the way)... It was NOT a forgone conculsion that model rocketry would survive and grow....And the manuufacture of model rocket engines was a new industry.... The NAR decided that model rocket engines needed to be certified to ensure quality control, to make sure the model rocket engines where manufactured to met certain "minimum"standards for safety purposes primarily, as if the hobby of model rocketry was to become 100% legal in all states, there needed to be some mechanism to insure that the product was safe to the endusers.....And all the motor manufacturers at that time volunteered their allegience to this new certifcation authority, as they also saw the benefit of having the NAR logo/Name on their model rocket engine products... Imagine back in 1965 if Estes engines were NAR certified and Centuri engines were not NAR certified....Estes could use this as marketing and sales advantage over Centuri.. Another reason for the NAR certification was because back in that time period, the NAR was promoting Competition Rocketry...For you to compete, everybody must more or less be using the same rocket motor..... Another reason for the NAR certification was its desire to portray amateur rocketry as being unsafe compared to model rocketry.....Model rocket engines were "safety certifed" by the NAR...! Amateur rocketry engines were home brew and were therefore "unsafe" ....
non NFPA states to NOn NAR/TRA members If your state doesn't require testing of motors, it's
If your state laws include NFPAs then that's your states issue. TRUE What they didn't > realize they signed up for was certification of motors. Submit a motor to
If you seriously think that a state is willing to put up the money to do this or do you really want X number of states each certifying motors.......
Well yes what I wrote is true:
- A NAR/TRA member in a NFPA state must use ONLY NAR/TRA certified commercial motors
- A NAR/TRA member in a non NFPA state must use ONLY NAR/TRA certified commercial motors
- A non NAR/TRA member in a NFPA state must use ONLY NAR/TRA certified commercial motors
- A non NAR/TRA member in a non NFPA state can use NON NAR/TRA certified commercial motors or NAR/TRA certified commercial motors
The problem is #3 above:
If you live in a NFPA state, then you must follow the NFPA codes when you do your sport rocketry activities..EVEN if you are not a NAR/TRA member. Why? Because the NFPA codes are the State Law.
Here is where the restraint of trade comes into play.......remember the NAR/TRA created the NFPA codes for states to adopt as state laws.....So when State A adopts the NFPA codes, then I as a motor manufacturer must volunteer to adhere to the NFPA codes in my manufacturing processes to sell my motors,because the motors have to be 1st certified by the NAR/TRA for the motors to be sold commercially in that state. So what happens when the NFPA codes are adopted in all 50 states? #4 above would become obsolete.... and the NAR/TRA monopoly is complete nationwide.
See the problem is the spreading of the NFPA codes is,as once a state adopts the NFPA codes, you have to adhere to those NFPA codes regardless of your NAR/TRA membership status...and it is the NAR/TRA writing these codes and pushing their adoption by the states..... shockie B)