question for Mark Bundick

I just received my renewal notice for NAR. Dues are up to $62 from $47 last year. Exactly what am I getting for my extra $15? (a 32% increase, in case
your calculator isn't handy).
Also, what guarantee can you give me that pending legislation won't render your organization pointless and unnecessary.
I'd rather not waste my $62.
Thanks
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NaCl wrote:

I seriously doubt that I will pay for a 32% increase.
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Thirded even !!

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wrote:

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The opportunity to have a BoT that votes for a dues increase?
Given the litigation and the prospective damage to a non-profit of deficit spending (ala TRA), it was probably a prudent move. When I renew I will renew for 2 years again just to support the cause even if they lower it again post lawsuit (if the unthinkable happens and NAR is awarded costs).

It might cut a swath right off of NAR rocketry based on NAR's words and deeds. However NAR will always have "little weenie rockets" to fall back on.
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They musta just changed it. I just sent in my membership about 10 days ago, and it was $47.00.
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Word is that it was voted on at NARAM (board meeting?) and that we are not hearing from Mark because he is out of town.
Other NAR BOD members posted messages about this on the Yahoogroup for NAR Section officers. And they apologized for not giving more public notice. At least the on-line applications were updated right away.
I suspect that the best way to keep dues down (after winning the lawsuit) is to get more people to join. Lots more people. The NAR magazine does exist in the real world and it arrives in the mail in a timely manner. Insurance exists as well and is very useful for getting launch sites.
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I agree with all of that.
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I don't think that some sort of explanation mailed (or even e-mailed) to all members is too much to ask.
Merely sending me the renewal form with the price increase and no explanation whatsoever is irritating.

$47
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It would have been wise to include a notice with the new applications. At least those who already had paper applications in the mail were able to renew at the old rate.
I would guess that as soon ar Mark is back from his travel he will post a message here. I would also guess that 'real life' may have gotten in the way of a timely announcement. It is a volunteer org. after all.
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message here.

announcement.
I am curious why it was essential the increase went into effect immediately; even before the NAR officers and section leaders were notified.
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would guess that as soon as Mark is back from his travel he will post a message here. I would also guess that 'real life' may have gotten in the way of a timely announcement. It is a volunteer org. after all.
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What I find amusing is they can update the website to reflect new fees in under a week of passage but they cannot update any other portion in under a month :)
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Looks like the web site has been updated quite a bit. The 30 most recent changes only takes us back to 1-Sep-2003. The dues increase hit the NAR web page on 5-sep-2003
Updated FileName Title 9/5/2003 6:26:03 PM http://nar.org/secure/narjoin.html Join the NAR 9/5/2003 5:06:48 PM http://nar.org/index.html Home 9/5/2003 5:06:23 PM http://nar.org/naradmin.html Administrative Directory 9/5/2003 5:06:12 PM http://nar.org/narseclist.shtml NAR Club Locator - Zip Code Listing 9/2/2003 7:47:56 PM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/xp-2c.pdf 9/2/2003 7:47:35 PM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/xp-2b.pdf 9/1/2003 12:06:23 PM http://nar.org/tachallenge.html TA Challenge 2004 9/1/2003 12:06:06 PM http://nar.org/tarcmentors.pdf Team America Mentor List 9/1/2003 12:05:11 PM http://nar.org/tarcmotors.pdf Team America Motor List 9/1/2003 12:04:17 PM http://nar.org/tamentorguide.pdf Team America Mentor Guide 9/1/2003 10:07:57 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/rocketglide.html Rocket Glider Plans 9/1/2003 10:00:32 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/nocturne11x17sheet.pdf Untitled-1 9/1/2003 9:59:07 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/nocturnetext.pdf 9/1/2003 9:27:05 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/misc.html Miscellaneous Plans 9/1/2003 9:26:58 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/helicopter.html Helicopter Duration Plans 9/1/2003 9:26:53 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/eggloft.html Egglofter Plans 9/1/2003 9:26:47 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/duration.html Streamer and Parachute Duration Plans 9/1/2003 9:20:21 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/boostglide.html Boost Glider Plans 9/1/2003 9:17:18 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/altitude.html Maximum Altitude 9/1/2003 9:13:09 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/xebec3a.pdf 9/1/2003 9:12:46 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/whirl.pdf 9/1/2003 9:12:34 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/twominuteegg.pdf 9/1/2003 9:12:24 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/turnup.pdf 9/1/2003 9:12:06 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/tbasd.pdf 9/1/2003 9:11:59 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/taz.pdf 9/1/2003 9:11:38 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/stilet-c.pdf 9/1/2003 9:11:34 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/stilet-b.pdf 9/1/2003 9:11:29 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/status4.pdf 9/1/2003 9:11:07 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/seagull25.pdf 9/1/2003 9:10:53 AM http://nar.org/competition/plans/pdf/rota-18m.pdf
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kaplow snipped-for-privacy@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote:

Let me resummarize for you:
Upload #1 9/1/2003 9:10:53 AM to 9/1/2003 10:07:57 AM Upload #2 9/1/2003 12:04:17 PM to 9/1/2003 12:06:23 PM Upload #3 9/2/2003 7:47:35 PM to 9/2/2003 7:47:56 PM Upload #4 9/5/2003 5:06:12 PM to 9/5/2003 5:06:48 PM Upload #5 9/5/2003 6:26:03 PM
So it was a weekend and a couple of stragglers.

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You had me right until this nonsense:

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Would it make you feel better if I said I forgot to put a smiley there? <G>
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Yes. I actually make a point to read your posts.
Jerry
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You know, the whole "dis-respected" thing is quite scary.
I usually hear that term from people who are actively looking for a fight. Gangsta's. Folks "on the juice".
That's the kind of thinking that starts wars.
Here's how I looked at this situation:
One or more of the volunteers forgot to post a message as they were busy with their real lives after spending 1 to 1 1/2 weeks at NARAM in addition to their insane number of regular volunteer hours working for the NAR members. At least one person got the forms corrected (paper and on-line). It could be that everyone thought that someone else was going to post a message. I don't know, but I do not feel "dis-respected". If they posted a message saying we were a bunch of turds, THEN I would feel dis-respected (although I probably would also find it hard to care less). I am not dis-respected when someone is busy with their real job or family or if they forget to do something. in my opinion, to be dis-respected requires ACTIVE and INTENTIONAL behavior that is intended to harm or negatively affect you.
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Welcome to rmr.

NAR Vice President Barber did immediately post the news on rmr. The fee is a large increase relative to last year but a small increase as compared to 2 years ago. Go figure.
So the increase should rightfully be evidence NAR mucked things up 2 years ago when they BOTH were in the midst of a major lawsuit AND lowered dues. Those voters should be shot. I would like to see the minutes of that particular discussion which are probably conveniently lost or misplaced right about now.
Jerry
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