Re: cost to certify

MR aint what it used to be. We need to recruit MR flyers, and NAR members, from the ranks of HPR flyers. :(

Exactly, more or less...

Al

If they are not a member, they are not contributing to the cost of maintaining insurance. If they are not a member but remain certified, they are increasing the cost of insurance without contributing anything to offset the cost.

Being able to expell or suspend members who are known to be doing stupid/dangerous/illegal things with high power rockets means that those individuals lose the ability to readily obtain high power rocket motors, thus significantly reducing the likelihood that they will be able to continue their reckless behavior.

Simply increasing the number of people doing high power doesn't really "meet the goal" if it isn't done in a responsible manner. Giving people a free ride at the expense of the org is not responsible.

And you are overlooking the fact that, even if his cert is not current, he still could have purchased the motors while his cert *was* current. I know that many flyers stock up on their "favorite" motors and reloads when they buy motors, either so that they can take advantage of discounts when they happen, or to ensure they don't run out of the motors they like to fly in their favorite rockets.

Also, I do not accept your contention that he will no longer be readily able to obtain high power motors once his cert lapses. If he has done business with a particular vendor in the past as a certified flyer, it is *extremely* unlikely that the vendor would ever make him prove that he was *still* certified if he came back to make further purchases. If they recognized him as an already known high power certified flyer, they would simply sell him the motors he wanted without demanding additional proof.

- Rick "Advocate's devil" Dickinson

How do you propose that a vendor on-site at a launch in 5/2004 tell the difference between the NAR card of a L2 certified member whose membership expires in 12/2004 and the NAR card of a formerly L2 certified former member, whose membership would have expired in

- Rick "Just curious" Dickinson

Excellent points.

It also reinforces my motor collection arguement.

jerry, where do you keep your motor... er, PAD collection?

Obviously there will be a lag since the membership card would still appear to be valid until their renewal date the following year. In the meantime, if anything happened the org would at least be able to show that they had taken action against the offender.

Perhaps, but the HPR community is pretty small and closeknit, and expulsions are rare. Word would get around if a person had been expelled or suspended.

That is a BAD thing. We need a robust and well dispersed HPR community.

I'd say that's more of a TRA problem than an NAR problem :-)

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I'll second this suggestion. I am sorry, but $62@year for dues to an organization that will cut your credentials off when your membership lapses? That is why I am not wasting my time becoming a member. I don't make enogh money to support that kind of dues structure. I belong to two service groups and only pay $15-20@yr for those and no operating priveleges are revoked if I don't re-up on a timely basis. My license fee is only $10.00@10yrs. I can have fun with small rockets and pay nothing except buying the kits and supplies to keep them up in the air and be satisfied for now.

Chris

Chris is the posterchild for the sort of guy who WILL occasionally renew when the bug gets up his ass every couple of years and trigger revenues NAR would otherwise lose EXCEPT if it has a perpetual certification policy.

Jerry