Stability Issues

I just got back into rocketry after about 15 years of absence. Of course, right off the bat, I'm building my own. Sticking with Estes parts for now, I've built a rocket that is about 36 inches tall, with a BT-55 body, three fins, D sized motor -- pretty much a standard shaped rocket, nothing fancy, but a little tall maybe.

Checking it for stability using the CG/CP method, I calculated the CP using a cardboard cutout finding the balance point. I calculated the CG by balancing the rocket loaded for launch. Sure enough I had to add some weight to the nose to get put the CG higher than the CP. Now they are about 3 inches apart.

Even though it looks right, but I can't seem to get the rocket to pass the "tie a sting at the CG and twirl it" method. Maybe it it too tall and I can't quite get started straight into the wind. However, I keep adding weight, hoping it will straighten out, but that does not seem to help. Already, loaded for launch, the thing it up to 7 ounces. All it ever does is point straight up, flying sideways, rather than into the wind.

What do I do now? Should I just rely on my determined points for CP and CG and hope its right, or should I give up and not fly the thing? Usually, we launch rockets during club sponsored launches, and I'd hate to fly the thing if it is unstable and there are lots of kids around.

- Dave

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Dave Larsen
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Reply to
Jerry Irvine

That's a reasonable margin for a 1.3 inch diameter 36 inch long rocket.

This can be tricky with some rockets. Sometimes even a stable rocket seems to do this in a swing test.

You can calculate the center of pressure (fairly accurately for a conventional-shaped rocket) with the "Barrowman" formulas, available online at (for example)

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- if both Barrowman and the cutout method are saying that it should be stable, then I'd say you're quite likely good to go.

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

Swing tests are unreliable. Use an app like VCP. WAY better.

Reply to
Gene Costanza

IMHO both the cardboard cutout method and the string test method are unreliable. In most cases you end up with too much nose weight, but I've seen cases primarilly with the cardboard cutout method where unstable rockets result. [try an egglofter!]

Use one of the many available programs that calculate the Barrowman CP. There are freeware packages like VCP and ones you can buy like Rocksim. Lately I've been using CPcalc on my PDA:

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Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

The best method is toss it into a soft bush.

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This should be in the FAQ.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

$ set impers $ set noimpersonate

Like the one in the White House?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

Like the one in your bedroom?

How about the one I meant. The one in the front yard.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

He said "toss"....hehhehhehhehhe He said "soft bush"...hehhhhehhhehhhehhehhhehe

Reply to
Gene Costanza

Sounds like Jerry's battin for both teams now. 8-)

Reply to
Phil Stein

Plenty of soft bush in my front yard. HEY! There's Sapphire... gotsta go...

Testy, testy, testy, Mr. Irvine. Relax. We love you.

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Gene Costanza

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