I was just curious how many of you build right out of the box and concentrate
on the painting of the model for the main impact? Is this viable today with so
many accesories and after market products (ex. engines. wheel wells and and
cockpit detail) I know a so many of the models are now supplied with great
deatail. Good examples would be the 1/72 scale tamiya WW11 kits. years ago that
kind of detail would not be really present in a 1/72 scale kit. I appreciate
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I build OOB only to have the shape of the kit to look at, the basic shell sort
of. That is what is going to have the visual impact when I walk into my
area. I have no interest whatsoever in detailing wells, cockpits, etc. The kit
on the shelf to look at as far as I'm concerned. It's not built
to undergo a OB/GYN exam.
I don't necessarily build straight from the box but the colours and
markings are what attract me. I have often taken a kit and built
something that was not on the mind of the manufacturer when they made
it. I often add stuff that I scratch or convert. I've only once gone
for some resin aftermarket parts and the results were acceptable. I
just like doing those extra bits myself if I feel moved to add them.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Thanks for starting this thread as i have been wondering if i was the
only left OOB kit builder.
I have two reasons for building strictly OOB.One is the cost, by the
time you get the exact PE parts, decals and resin parts, or right
color of paints, a $7 kit becomes $25.The second reason is the time
involved in detailing.I have a very busy life and if i detail every
kit i build, instead of building the 6-8 kits yearly currently, it
will be more like 3 yearly kits.
Again we are all free to do what we want, i don't spit on the guy that
wants to super detail his kits and pay a fortune.
My kits aren't competition class, but they are fine for me.I am the
one looking at them.
About PE parts, i got some one day for a 1/400 french Heller destroyer
and i got so mad trying to work with them that i dropped most of the
parts and used only the railings.
OOB rocks my boat!
I build OOB,hand paint and only worry about finding new and unusual paint
Just doesn't make sense to me to count rivets,add detail no one else will see
or spend big bucks on a model.
And most important,I do it this way because I enjoy it,which is all that
I also build right out of the box. I did modify my 1/6 scale Tamiya
Katana1100s with a working headlight, but that was about it. I suspect a
very high percentage of models sold are built from the box.
Fair play to the rivet counters though. I just don't have that amount of
patience or time to devote to the hobby.
The only thing that I did to my Roden PKZ-2 was rigging, cables to three cable
reels, a tarp over one engine, and a scratch-built ladder to the tub.
The HAT WWI Austrian Infantry was just too good, so the model got a stock
soldier standing guard, another converted to haul the tarp off and one
terrified observer in the tub converted from an officer.
Aside from trying to get the parts to fit (maybe just my example), the most
time consuming part was the base, a hodge podge of wood attatched at all kinds
of angles as shown on the box art.
After the Yak-11 conversion to "our" racer variant with a P&W R.2000, carved
props from a Tracker and many other small mods
plus doing one for myself and one for the owner, I'm doing an out of the box
I've always wanted to do an Avia S-199 in the markings of the first Israeli
fighter to shoot down an enemy aircraft, a Egyptian C-47 kicking bombs out the
door over Tel Aviv.
I picked up the Kora kit of the Israeli variant in 1/72. This has got to be one
of the best 1/72 scale models ever produced. It's mostly resin with a good
vacuformed canopy, a few tiny parts in cast metal and a good number of etched
metal parts plus an instrument panel decal. It even includes the appropriate
sand filter and the elusive bomb rack. All of the above meets the out of the
box qualifications, plus a decal sheet that looks to be spot on.
The one thing that I am pondering is using the Moskit exhausts for the Me
109F/G/K. I am trying to see if they are appropriate for the Jumo engine and
trying to decide if it's worth going beyond out of the box.
So it's either that little bit of extra detail to please myself or...
Sure its viable--I've got a bunch of kits that won't require any
aftermarket. For example:
Tamiya 1/72 M6A1 Seiran
Promodeler 1/72 Me 262A
Italeri 1/72 Me 210A
Revell Germany 1/72 Ar 240C
Special Hobby 1/72 Ju 388K/L
Huma 1/72 DFS 346
Pavla 1/72 Westland Whirlwind
MPM Fw 189B
?and that's without duplicating brands and just glancing in the closet;
I could probably come up with another 20 or so. Of course, it's all a
matter of perception--for those kits, I'm satisfied with the contents of
the box. Someone else might not be. I thought the 1/48 Tamiya He 219 was
exquisite--and someone came out with an aftermarket set.
Which is why I tend to do vacuforms, conversions, limited-run kits of
prototypes, and so on, and also tend to 'count rivets'--the kits I have
that are good enough to do out of the box usually just don't entice me,
but I have 'em if I change my mind. If I was serious about competing, I
think I'd concentrate on the kits that are OOB-good, and then if I
decide to detail, I haven't already got sick of the model just getting
decent basics correct. So I must not be very serious about competition.
Hey, someone else has to enter for the really good modellers to get the
prizes and feel good about it.
50 percent of my kits built are
OOB. 12 percent I detail but only
that which can be seen at arms
length. The rest I build when I get
'that wild hair' that says screw
the rivet counting and blueprints
and make it and paint it like it was
my own plane or car.
Based on my observations, and I've been attending the IPMS/US nationals
every year since 1992, and been a judge there for the past 9 years,
building OOTB is the BEST way to improve your chances of winning in a
competition, at least one conducted using the IPMS/US national criteria.
The primary thing which wins contests is clean construction and finishing.
By clean I mean no errors. Weathering is fine but it needs to be
consistent. Items like alignment, quality of finish, elimination of seams,
ejector pin marks, mold lines etc. count far more than detailing. Adding
details just means there's more opportunity to miss a blob of glue, a seam
or something else.
The idea of OOTB sprang up in the days where detailing was primarily done
by scratchbuilding the details, and the guys who did this and won knew how
to keep the model 'under control' as far as construction and finish
quality. Those same guys might still win with a detailed model, but more
and more contest modelers have caught on to the fact that detailing often
hurts a models chances in a contest more than it helps. If you look at
the results from the IPMS nationals over the years, you might be surprised
by the percentage of OOTB award winning models which also place in their
categories which include OOTB, against non OOTB entries, and the
percentage of OOTB entries which win their category outright.
If you want to superdetail your models, have at it, but if you also want
them to win in competition make sure you get the basics right. I've seen
lots of models with impressively detailed cockpits which lacked in basic
construction or finish, as if the modeler considered the detailing to BE
the model, rather than just part of the whole picture.
That said, I build models for my own pleasure, even though I do bring them
to contests. But I don't usually build them for contests. I tend to put a
lot of effort into research to make the model as accurate as I can,
although I know that that's not a criteria for competition, and I don't
let my perception of the accuracy of a model enter into my deliberations
when judging it in competition.
Same here. Everything I enjoy about the hobby dissapears when I try to
build something for competition, so I don't. Still go to contests to see
what there is and to meet others with similar interests.
Some of us do have fun. I rarely build for competition, I enter often I
just don't build specifically for competing. I'm prolific enough that I
can pick and choose what I enter and take those that stand a chance of
winning. I win my share of awards and that's cool but not the point, the
point is to show off your work to others whether you win or not.
> I've built more than 200 models in the last ten years, most of which were
> pretty gruesome. BUT I'm getting better. What is still at the same level is my
> enjoyment. Reading articles by other builders and seeing pictures of award
> winning models encourages me to try to learn new techniques and helps overcome
> frustrating problems. I even decided once to build a model for competition. I
> worried so much about it and worked so hard to make it perfect that I forgot to
> have fun. Didn't enjoy the experiance one bit. I keep that model in front of me
> on the bench to remind me that I do this for fun and if I ever feel the need to
> compete, to be better than the next guy, to WIN then I've lost already. So I
> leave it to those who DO get enjoyment from competeing and WINNING. But you
> know what? I've read so many negative posts here and on other boards about
> competeing that I have to wonder if these people are ever having fun?
i would never compete. since i reentered this hobby, i have
completed about 14 kits. and while i don't suck as badly as
i did in feb. i would still be too embarassed to compete.
when rufus comes by to go riding, i'll hide my efforst.
but that's ok, because hot damn do i enjoy learning new
skills and i really enjoy the research.
and i really like the people here who share. the old
negative comment i've gotten was someone saying that if i
was poor, i shouldn't be modeling. i don't know if that was
as mean spirited as it sounded or just someone's fearfull
thought i might ask them for something. perhaps they had a
bad expirience with someone. happily, i don't remember who
said it and i will keep depending on this group for great
Whoever said that was an idiot. Model building is one of the
cheapest hobbies there is. A newcomer can get set up with paint,
basic tools, and a simple kit for less than $50. Even the most
expensive of kits returns a cost per hour of building enjoyment that
beats most any other hobby.
As a matter of background I've entered some contests and won some minor
awards. Seldom do I even place against quality competition.
It is fun displaying a model at competitions, but the pressure to complete a
kit by a contest deadline is not fun. It is probably not a coincidence that
I make fewer initial errors when building for fun than for competition.
Building just for fun doesn't provide me adequate incentives to crank up a
new model. I think we all like to show off our work, be it a regional
contest, a club contest or a club show-and-tell.
However, the most satisfying thing I have done is build for someone else.
Last year I built a Skyraider for a friend who flew them. He thought I was
just going to slap some glue and paint together. I spent over a year on the
kit. It was a sheer pleasure watching him light up when I first removed the
finished kit from its box. And it beat any judges' award as he looked at
every minor detail of the plane and repeatedly said to his wife, "Honey,
this is *exactly* what my plane looked like" or "this is *exactly* how this
If you've never built for someone else, I heartily recommend it. It's a bit
intimidating, but well worth the effort.
well, perhaps they misunderstood my intenet. i can't buy a
lot of elaborate tools so finding workarounds is neccessary.
the funny thing is that learning to make tools to make
models makes me look at everything in a different
it's fun, i like it and hope that person gets me a little
no lindbergs, or is the show in the future?
Icame back into the hobby in 1995.
Since then I have built approximately
40 to 50 models. Some I am very
proud of and display them in a glass
cabinet next to my workshop, others
go into a box for spare parts while
another category is given to the
grandkids to play with when they visit.
I have made notes from all the successes and failures but know that there is
still a lot more to learn. May
be some day I will enter competition
maybe I will win and if I do, I wonder
if the hobby will remain the relaxing detour it is now, or become a
obsession and find myself in another
rat race that I came downstairs to
avoid? Just a thought, so please don't
take it seriously.
An example: Supermodel BV 138; Base kit $25.00 with shipping. $15.00 for
some aftermarket bits. Three bottles of paint, less than $9.00 since I
had a lot left. Other miscellaneous expenses (electricity, sandpaper,
Evergreen stock, CA, sheet styrene) less than $10.00, and a lot of
spares and decals that were salvaged from other models, net cost zero.
Totals out to somewhere around $60.00. Well over a hundred hours of
hobby time, not to mention getting to show the thing off in various
states of construction at five different club meetings, and the
opportunity to enter it in three contests. So in terms of hours of hobby
enjoyment, I'm at less than 50 cents an hour, and this is one of the
more expensive projects I've had.