To Our English Friends

"Enzo Matrix" wrote,

that stuff can be made so small it's a whole world of problems.

snipped-for-privacy@ffsmc.com wrote,

and who can predict the actions of insanity?

"Old Timer" wrote, In article :

attacking a religion won't help. i think using a consistent policy, and trieing them by law with public execution should be the road.

I'm not saying attack a religion, I'm suggesting using their beliefs to our advantage. Finf the ringleaders and upon their execution, make sure that their people realize that they're aren't getting into heaven. If that means smearing them with pig-fat, so be it. But maybe if they realize that we have the means and the will to keep them from what they want - eternal paradise - then maybe they'll think twice. Somehow though, I doubt it; I think we're in this for the long haul.

I think they'll attack where they can generate the widest audience, and unfortunatly, Paris is such a stage.

But I agree - no one is safe until we wipe them out.

Capturing, trying, convicing, and executing them under the rules of thier own law should do the trick...that would be something. The outlanders turning thier own law on them. Publicly.

FWIW I have been saying for some time that we should take a look at some of the methods used by Douglas McArthur's Daddy against the Moros back at the turn of the 20th century. Use a pig skin (head still attached so there is no doubt about what it is) as their execution garment. They usually recover some remains of these suicide bombers so burial in a tub of pork lard wouldn't be out of bounds. Of course, our wonderful liberal Democrats would howl to the high heavens about this (I can hear Ted Kennedy now), but that merely proves something I have contended for years, America's enemies can always count on aid and comfort from America's "liberals".

Bill Shuey

Assuming the perpetrators turn out to be Islamic terrorists (probably but not yet determined as fact) an Islamic (Saudi) style execution would certainly end their recidivism. However, I wonder how many know exactly what that entails? Back in the early 1980s I witnessed four such executions, two individual ones and a (pardon the pun) double-header. The first time (the double-header) I stumbled upon by accident. I saw a large crowd gathered around the Ministry of Justice and walked over there. when the crowd found out that I was a westerner; an American, they pushed me up to the front of the crowd right at the base of the stage/platform/stairs. They brought them out one at a time (one Saudi and one Egyptian).

They had been previously drugged and one was so drugged he needed help to walk. Each was bent over and the executioner took off the head with a single swing of a heavy blade. After the second execution, there was considerable blood on the platform. the Justice Police took the bodies away and the crowd rushed up to the execution site pushing and shoving in order to put their hands in the blood, hold it up and chant. I thought the whole thing was rather bizarre. The other two times I knew what the crowd was about and, as with the first time, he crowd moved me to the front for the festivities. Several years later I also saw them stone a member of the Saudi royal family for committing adultery; a decidedly unpleasant thing to watch.

I'm not against capitol punishment; not in the least. I just thought you might be interested in knowing what is involved in what you are calling for.

Yes - I know exactly. I was informed by some of our folk whom have/had spent time as contractors in Saudi that upon thier arrival, were all escorted to a public execution...which also included the lopping off of some hands and feet for lesser crimes. Yes - they pretty much detailed it for me as you describe, but the witness they bore was no accident.

They were entreated to watch the entire proceedings. Then they were led back to the contractors compound and told - "you break our laws, this is what happens". I'm told most seldom ventured out of the compound for the duration.

Try them by thier own law, and hold them accountable to their own prescribed punishments. If that's all they understand.

Rufus wrote, In article :

decapitation in a very public square would be high justice indeed.

I'd also suspect any capital city of a country that supports the activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bastards.

Bill Banaszak

Worse, reasoned insanity.

Bill Banaszak

snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net wrote, In article :

yeah, smart crazy people who premeditate are scary.

Messy, and the crowds response was ghoulish, but other than that, what's so bad about this? Sounds like one of the more benign methods of execution I've ever heard of. Beats stuff like gas chambers, lethal injection and firing squads aiming for the torso.

Rob

You don't have to support the decision, not at all. But the troops (of all the nations who are there) deserve our support and respect for fulfilling their sworn duty, wether they want to be there or not.

RobG

I noticed that you didn't include the stoning execution in your comment about benign execution methods. Also, it doesn't seem quite all that benign when one actually watches as the condemned struggles with the "holders" as best he can while being bent down nor when one hears the "thwack" of sword hitting neck, head coming off, and the torrent of blood gushing from the severed (or in some cases partially severed) neck. The after effects, as I described in my earlier post, of the crowd then reveling in the spilled blood like a bunch of kids at a carnival left me with a less than favorable impression of their society.

The stoning was an entirely different proposition altogether and there was absolutely nothing benign about it. The woman was literally chained and had the end of the chain staked to the ground as you would put a dog on a leash. Then, after the crowd had a chance to scream insults and other things (many of which I was unable to understand) they picked up large rocks that the government thoughtfully trucked in and dumped at the execution site and began flinging them at the condemned woman. I don't think she was drugged (at best perhaps lightly sedated). She screamed and begged incessantly as the rocks struck her on the head, face, and body. She was finally knocked to the ground when a large rock broke her leg and she lay there moaning while the crowd continued to pelt her with rocks until they finished her off. Her crime...an affair with one of her attendants.

As I said earlier, I'm not against capital punishment for capital crimes. I was just thinking that with everyone should have an idea of what they are talking about when offering up such solutions.

And this is worse than flying an airliner into a skyscraper or detonating explosives in a contained space with innocent people around how?

As a co-worker said to me years ago (he was an engineer from Sierra Leon in Africa and a Muslim), "you people are too soft. In my country we can spot a thief from across the street. He is the one with one hand. You people coddle them and let them steal again." Maybe he was right, or at least on the right track.......

From what I have read of the standard of police investigations in some Muslim countries the person with a missing hand may not be a thief at all.

No, of course it's not worse than flying an airplane into a building, at least in my eyes (I lost three friends at the Pentagon, by the way) but I would hope we're better than they are. Look, if our people (in this case "our people" could be representatives of any country attacked) can find the guilty party "in the field" and terminate his/her/their activities "with extreme prejudice" all the better and no problem whatsoever as far as the law is concerned. If they are caught alive and brought to justice in the United States, the rule of law must apply (and I would assume the same would apply in the UK as well). That's all I'm saying.

On your second comment about the comments by the Sierra Leone engineer - a bastion of fair and impartial application of rule of law indeed (giggle....have you ever been there??). Aren't there UN peacekeepers stationed there to keep them from killing each other and hacking one another up? I'd bet your engineer friend hadn't been back to SL in a long time. I'm afraid your comment shows a lack of understanding of how things work in such Third World trash heap countries as that. The guy with one hand may have been a thief.......or maybe he was a guy for whom the local chief of police or tribal elder had a grudge and was falsely accused of a crime to get even. It's easy to say these things when applying an American or European standard of justice to an incident such as this. However, in reality, the "burden of proof" if you can even call it that, is considerable less "robust" in many of these countries and often, old animosities between individuals and families tend to cloud jurisprudence and "due process."

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