"Front Street" Flat from Downtown Deco

Every once in a while I build a diorama just for the fun of it and what you see here is an example of that. Once I got this model all done I thought,
"Hey, that came out kind of cool, I bet other people would buy this if it were a kit." So I decided to put it all together in one box and do a very limited edtion kit.
Here's what you get. Beautifully detailed hydrocal castings (with amazing brick detail you would never find in a plastic kit) , full color,authentic signs, plastic doors and windows, air conditioners, laser cut wood water tower, in fact, pretty much everything you see on the roof (except the figures), glass for the windows including a cool piece that has been laser cut to replicate a window with a bullet hole in it (see photo), Paper Creek rusty corrugated roofing for the roof top shed, Evergreen Styrene for the awning and sidewalks, fire escapes, a news stand w/magazines for the interior of the grocery store (see photo), industrial lamp shades for the Textile Warehouse, black foamcore for the roof and complete, easy to understand assenbly & painting instructions. Vehicles and figures not included. 4" deep x 24" long. This is designed to be a background flat, which means it is not intended to be viewed from the rear. With a little kitbashing though you could use it just about anywhere on your layout.
I'm running just 100 of these, each signed and numbered, so as they say, get one while you can. Call direct or email if you have any questions or if you'd like to order one. $79.95+ $12 UPS.
Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco
downtowndeco@...
406-273-0942
I can't post photos on the forum here but just follow thios link, it has about a dozen shots of the project. If you're interested you can just contact me off list;
http://cgi.ebay.com/HUGE-NEW-Downtown-Deco-HO-HOn3-Scale-Front-St-Flat-/400149484662?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5d2ac49476
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Ya, sure.

I can't recall you posting Anything here prior to this. Do you use another nym?
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Downtown Deco is a legitimate business, http://www.downtowndeco.com /
That said, the post should have had an [AD] tag or something to say it was an ad.
Jim
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Why? You couldn't figure that out? -- Ray
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Because the spammer began his post by saying "Every once in a while I build a diorama just for the fun of it and what you see here is an example of that. Once I got this model all done I thought, "Hey, that came out kind of cool, I bet other people would buy this if it were a kit." So I decided to put it all together in one box and do a very limited edtion kit."
In other words, he's trying to soften the fact that he's spamming the newsgroup by pretending that he's an old friend around here who's just doing us a favor, and that he never really intended to actually SELL anything.
While I doubt that much of anyone would object to a straightforward "Hey! This is my newest product and contact me here if you're interested" sort of post -after all, it's something that might well be useful to various souls on this newsgroup; and not your usual "Click here to get $3,500 FRom Paypal" bit- but the "I'm not *really* selling things" intro was tacky, and is insulting to anyone who's got an IQ as good as -or better then- your average fire hydrant.
You, of course, will want to argue about this for the next two weeks; but I'm afraid you're going to have to do it without me.
~Pete
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Because the spammer began his post by saying "Every once in a while I build a diorama just for the fun of it and what you see here is an example of that. Once I got this model all done I thought, "Hey, that came out kind of cool, I bet other people would buy this if it were a kit." So I decided to put it all together in one box and do a very limited edtion kit."
In other words, he's trying to soften the fact that he's spamming the newsgroup by pretending that he's an old friend around here who's just doing us a favor, and that he never really intended to actually SELL anything.
While I doubt that much of anyone would object to a straightforward "Hey! This is my newest product and contact me here if you're interested" sort of post -after all, it's something that might well be useful to various souls on this newsgroup; and not your usual "Click here to get $3,500 FRom Paypal" bit- but the "I'm not *really* selling things" intro was tacky, and is insulting to anyone who's got an IQ as good as -or better then- your average fire hydrant.
You, of course, will want to argue about this for the next two weeks; but I'm afraid you're going to have to do it without me. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well said! One of the tackiest marketing efforts I've seen. The URL leads you to eBay. I seem to recall eBay frowning on sellers who spam.
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:39:41 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
They say they prohibit the practice, but they won't do anything about it.
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Prezactly.
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Prezactly.
----------------------------------- Unless they think it costs them money. $50 shipping on a $1 item will get their attention.
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I must disagree with your assessment. Offering to sell a model to a group of modelers is not spam. He's just telling us about something that we are intersted in anyway. Now if this was a newsgroup about politics or cooking or religion, well then it would be spam, because those people are not interested in what he has to offer.
Personally, I thought the pictures were enjoyable. If the kit was offered in O scale I might even buy it.
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Wikipedia: "Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, **Usenet newsgroup spam**, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social networking spam, television advertising and file sharing network spam."
BTW: Ebay -where our protagonist is actually selling his wares- also defines online advertising outside of Ebay itself as spamming, and that's what Lobby was speaking of.

Yes, and if you read the thread you understand that everyone here already pretty much agreed with that.
Nobody seems to be upset that the spammer mentioned his wares here; only about the way he did it; which was a classic -and tacky- "shucks- folks-I'm-not-really-trying-to-sell-you-anything" spammer's approach.
People who do this sort of thing need to be told that they'd do better to just tell the unvarnished truth: "I've got something nice here that you might want to buy".
They'd piss off a lot fewer potential customers that way.
~Pete
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Wikipedia: "Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, **Usenet newsgroup spam**, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social networking spam, television advertising and file sharing network spam."
BTW: Ebay -where our protagonist is actually selling his wares- also defines online advertising outside of Ebay itself as spamming, and that's what Lobby was speaking of.

Yes, and if you read the thread you understand that everyone here already pretty much agreed with that.
Nobody seems to be upset that the spammer mentioned his wares here; only about the way he did it; which was a classic -and tacky- "shucks- folks-I'm-not-really-trying-to-sell-you-anything" spammer's approach.
People who do this sort of thing need to be told that they'd do better to just tell the unvarnished truth: "I've got something nice here that you might want to buy".
They'd piss off a lot fewer potential customers that way.
~Pete
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On 9/5/2010 5:56 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:

Wading in with my 2 cents worth: The posting and the way it was presented bothered me not in the slightest. As a reader of RMR for well over a decade, and a modeler for much longer than that, I am quite familiar with Randy Pepprock, his company Downtown Deco and its products, and his previous postings to this group over the years. I recognized from the subject header who it was from and what the posting was potentially about. Armed with this knowledge the method with which Randy informed us of his new product was an interesting read and of no annoyance whatsoever. Perhaps the only negative bit was being directed to eBay to see the photos rather than a page on his own web site, but it was a very niggling annoyance.
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What name does he use for posting? I've been reading here as long as you, and don't recall a post from him. I am familiar with the company from the model RR press.
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On 9/5/2010 6:46 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:

Google newsgroups search shows a few dozen postings using the name on the original message in this thread. Whether Randy has used other besides that one I don't know.
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I get Zero hits for Author=downtowndeco.
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So what? That's a false test. You should know that. Particularly coming from someone with a bogus e-mail address.
Just pipe down while you still have some dignity left, mate. -- Ray
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On 9/5/2010 11:50 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:

Try snipped-for-privacy@montana.com as the author
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To those I have greviously and annoyingly offended, I'm sorry. The only reason the link went to the ebay site was because I am inbetween webmasters and had not had a chance to load the material to my official site. Somehow though, I bet if the link went directly to our site the same people would still be writhing in protest. Again, I'm sorry. I'm just a guy who makes kits for a niche market trying to make a go of it in a horrible economy. Beat me with a rake if you must for trying to explore every avenue to promote my products that I can.
Thanks again to all that have bought this kit. Pretty soon the last one will be out the door & then this sad chapter of immoral, tacky and annoying marketing will be behind us all.
Cheers.
Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco
PS. I've posted here many times over the years, often w/similar types of "ads". I wish I had more time to just talk model trains for the pure enjoyment of it but that pretty much goes out the window when you do something like this full time for a living..
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On 06/09/2010 19:14, snipped-for-privacy@montana.com wrote:

Didn't bother me.
wolf k.
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