Yes...that's the guy with the inappropriate
behavior. He may have believed that since he was the owner, he could get away
with saying those things with no repercussions., since he's "the boss". I
definitely noticed that he carried himself with extra confidence, before and
after the comments were made, and when I spoke to him about the incidents.
One of the things I absolutely hate about the internet is the fact that you can
condemn someone, by name, with only
one side of the story. There is ALWAYS another side of the story.
Model Railroad Design
What I was trying to say is, we only have one person's story of what happened.
Did it happen at all? Why is this guy crying about it on the internet? No, I
would be the last to defend the situation as described.
But did it happen as described? Is there another agenda involved? For example;
Did 'Steve' commit the unforgiveable sin of selling something at full retail?
Model Railroad Design
Yes I guess you are right. But I think so was I. I don't know the
'real' story and will wait for the original poster to come back with
more detail (which I highly doubt will happen) before commenting
further. Have a nice holiday.
email@example.com (Sean S) wrote in message
First off, I wasn't "crying" about the occurrence.
My age? Yes, older than she, but not greatly. If she had been my *daughter*,
I'd have clocked him one on the spot. DON'T make comments of a sexual nature
about customers. Common sense!!! Oh...and if he'd have said that my *daughter*
was a "pumper girl..."(wink)? I'd have even more reason to be mad. Don't get me
started. There's no excuse in the world to talk to a customer that way. Zilch,
By the way... I'm not "crying" about it.
No, I was *not* upset at him for having products at "full retail", as he was
having a sale those days. I'd weighed purchasing the items regardless of the
comments, but there's no way I'd put up with that type of treatment to save
30%...or any amount, for that matter.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:59:42 GMT, I read these words from "Pac Man"
Oh no, being multi-lingual, I understood that bit.
("Punch your clock in" is a Sarf of *ngland expression)
It was the difference in his anticipated reaction to an insult
a) his daughter and
b) his lady acquaintance.
Either situation here would merit the same degree of reaction,
physical or otherwise.
-- Ian S
That's probably a pretty good definition, but you might also want to add "condensed from `cleaning one's clock" as in the scene from THE LONGEST DAY where the Brit bashes the malfunctioning tank on the beach with his baton/cane explaining that nothing works better on malfunctioning equipment than a good bash.
Or, just clobbering the clock might clear/clean from it whatever dust, dirt, bugs, cobwebs... that may be impairing its proper operation.
Dan L. Merkel
Clock: v.t., a Yankee euphemism for figuratively or literally bringing
force via an extended arm or fist or makeshift weapon against the side of
another person's head. Ostensibly with the result of "putting their
lights out" as a method of instilling a degree of education. Usually in
response to an oral statement either misspoken or misunderstood by one or
both parties. Derives from several sources, notably the reaction of some
sleepers to the rude awakening of the alarm clock, whereby the sleeper
swats the clock against the wall with sufficient force to cease the
infernal ringing. Related to the notion that there exist appearances so
shocking that presenting them before a timepiece would by force of
negative aura alone cause the mechanism to cease functioning, as in the
witch was so ugly she could "stop a clock." Hence, by rendering a person
unconscious time is effectively stopped for that person at least
From the dictionary of Bob.
The goal of driving is to miss the maximum possible number of objects.
I understand what you are saying. If there is even some *remote* chance
that what the owner said was actually misunderstood he deserves a chance
to answer to the charges. None of us would accept any less for
ourselves. It would be a terrible shame to completely ruin someone's
reputation if there were some misunderstandings that could be clarified.
While you certainly MAY be right in a few cases, this does not seem to be
applicable to this one. Anyway, it is very dangerous to condemn someone on
the internet without being able to back it up. A lawsuit may cost a large
sum of money. And in the case of such a "rogue" hobby shop, there is a
pretty good chance someone tells the owner about a thread like this one and
thus the owner in turn has a good chance to either defend himself or sue the
claimant. Thus, I don't believe that we see many unfounded rants about
shops, manufacturers and the like, here.
I sometimes find it very helpful to read about good and/or bad service here
and in other newsgroups. Decent service sadly is not a given any more ...
although I can't complain about model railroad shops (yet). I had some very
bad experiences with digital camera sellers here in Germany, though. And I
got excellent service from Brawa, a model railroad manufacturer for European
George W. Pflaum
Why would you want to stand between her and a idiot like this? I'm
sure she'd lay a much better smack-down on him than you could and
probably get away with it much easier if the cops were called. In a
situation like this the best thing a husband can do for his wife is
hold her purse so she has both hands available for whacking. ;-)
Jim Stewart wrote:
My 55 year old large Polish wife would have decked him if he did such.
she could get there first in front of me.
A couple of years ago the Train Show coordinator for the club I belonged to
at the time repeatedly traveled down to Toledo to kiss Steve's butt to get
him to come to our show. He came, was a jerk, his prices weren't anything
special, and we didn't ask him back again.
Another group I feel sorry for in a case like this is the club up in
Blissfield. The last I knew they rented their space from Steve and had to
pay part of the rent by providing security for him at the shows he holds in
Toledo. Nothing like a well-to-do club having a jerk as a landlord.
Speaking of reading all of the posts, did I ever say anyone was lying? By the
way, the comment about paying full retail was said with tongue in cheek - a
lost art these days.
Model Railroad Design
And I've been in his store and been at the shows and have never seen any
indication of any such behavior from Steve, his wife (she helps run the
business), his kids or his employees.
Someone already has been criticized for pointing out that there are at least
two sides to these stories. Only the people present know the facts for
sure. From those facts I assume they will make the proper decision to
deal with those facts. For the original posting author, that decision, no
more business to be done at that store, is much more intelligent than some
of the other things that have been posted here.
I find it ironic that a local shop, that someone that posts here works for
(now), did exhibit that stereotypical paying customers be damned attitude.
It got old quick and I took my business elsewhere. I have made a few
visits over the last several months and the store now seems to treat
customers with the respect owed a paying customer.
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