Re: When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!! ----- 0MCX2ECzHk

Lol, sadly true. Usually young people thinking "I've got to write code like I saw in DOOM's source..."

You do realize that the pipeline isn't just a pipe that stuff goes through, right? I mean, there are branch target buffers, look ahead adders, PATH optimization hardware, et cetera. All for precisely that reason.

Not in the last 10 years ;). Then add in the fact that RISC means more instructions per operation. Basically, RISC and CISC are comparable overall in efficiency for now. Ultimately, Intel will prove that CISC will prevail (given longer pipelines.)

Things don't work this way anymore unless you're tuning a game for a specific processor as a one off (and potentially a particular L1/L2 setup.)

You realize that Alpha went one way and Intel another, right?

But it isn't. RISC and CISC are the semantically except that one use smaller words than the other (using language as a metaphor.) The words ultimately band together to say the same thing. The reason RISC was so hot when it was being initially pushed (and why it isn't a big deal now) is because all of that secondary hardware (such as BTBs, PATH hardware, intelligent cache loaders/unloaders, vftbl optimizers [sometimes just another BTB]) was relatively crude or didn't yet exist which made longer pipelines much more liable to stall and made RISC operate faster in many situations. Ironically, optimizing your Intel CISC code back then would be done to approach RISC-like performance, but that was a looong time ago.

I'm sure they do, because the associated hardware is easier and cheaper to produce; however, for pure performance reasons, CISC is currently the king.

WTH

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WTH
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AH!! You do understand; CISC - expensive, RISC - less so.

"Pure performance"??? What machine, what application?

As for your, "it's more complicated than that" argument, remember we started out with "way over simplified". If you want to have a religious argument about CISC have at it but, you do understand why it will lose.

Paul

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Paul Newhouse

in article YpGcc.84680$K91.185430@attbi_s02, Paul Newhouse at snipped-for-privacy@pimin.rockhead.com wrote on 4/6/04 3:45 PM:

It's worse than you thought: my newest computer is over two years old. My fastest computer has just gone off AppleCare (three years) and since it still edits video with FCE and writes DVDs with DVD SP just fine, I see no particular reason to replace it.

I'll take myself out behind the woodshed (actually, I don't have one, maybe I'll build one on my HO layout...yay! back on topic).

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Edward A. Oates

Hehe, yes, but not on expensive on the scale that would really matter to you and I. In the embedded world, yes. The PC world, not at all.

All current benchmarking software for the PC. You realize that the Opteron is more powerful than the PowerPC, right?

Not at all and there's nothing religious about it. I don't have a preference one way or the other. I just want whatever is fastest, my compiler takes care of the rest (except in increasingly rare cases.) It is plain and simple, CISC is much faster, especially in CPU heavy applications such as real time 3D graphics (games, visual simulation, et cetera.) Ironically, PowerPC is supposed to be a RISC processor but it supports complex instructions as extensions meaning it isn't actually a RISC processor.

WTH

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WTH

Brian,

IBM's small computer operation is in far worse shape than Apple's is. Both Apple and IBM strictly enforced their patented and proprietary technology. Neither licensed the designs out and attempted to corner the small computer market. Both failed. I said CLONES. The IBM clones did both companies in as far as standards went. IBM pure and simple make crap! Both for PCs and for servers. I will never forget the PS2 and it's Microchannel, And neither do most folks I know that play with computers.

Even today, IBM develops the new technology for Hard drives but is unable to effectively manufacture or market a finished product. IBM used to, and may still, purchase it's hard disk platters from Komag and other independent companies. IBM research is first rate, manufacturing is at 3rd world levels.

Art

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Art Marsh

Make up your mind. We were talking about what happened 20 years ago and why Apple never "caught on" in the corporate world. Now all of a sudden you're discussing IBM's current situation.

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Brian Paul Ehni

Extraordinarily lucky, by the sound of it. Not only have I not had any major dramas with my Macs, but neither have any of the many Mac users I know. My luck must rub off on them, eh?

I have a 12-month old iMac that hasn't given me any headaches...

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Mark Newton

I can honestly say I've never owned a Mac that ever gave me a headache. Worked on some that caused headscratching, though.

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Brian Paul Ehni

Ahhh, that's it, it is terminology.

To a Windows user it is "headache" to a MAC user it is "headscratching". Now I understand.

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wannandcan

Actually, 20 years ago and today are not all that much different for either company. Neither company does real well in the corporate world. As I stated a few posts back, Were Apple to reduce the price of their computer lines, their total Market share would climb. And with that their standing in the corporate and development worlds. Apple makes as good or better of a product than 90%+ of the PC clone companies.

Art

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Art Marsh

No, I've had headaches. But only with Windoze. 8^)

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Brian Paul Ehni

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