Why is called HO?

That explains the paper stuck to your nose - why do you keep trolling?

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:49:05 +1300, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Greg Procter instead replied:

You see, Greg, it's not trolling at all. I'm simply identifying your repeated bad behavior here and commenting on it. Just like you do but only with a real case to be made for your truly obnoxious nature. On the other hand, you'd actually be trolling if you even thought of making a reply to this post. See how that works?

-- Ray

Ray, I simply respond in the most helpful way possible with as much informative comment as I consider reasonable. If I were only in agreement with others comments there would be little point in posting.

Just like you do

I'm not the one calling into question my own sexuality and/or bathroom habits - those sorts of responses come from you and several other time wasters.

On the other hand, you'd actually be trolling if you even

Should I not respond to you idiots? I realise that's it's a federal offense in the US to hold an opinion that differs from the mainstream view, but this ng goes world-wide.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Who said anything about the NMRA????

You sound like you are an incarnation of "Terry Flynn"

I said "I use 3.5mm = 1'", including all the mathematics for the measurement conversions.

And so do 'most if not all' of the other folks around here.

Actually, it ain't all that hard to do. PFM (Pacific Fast Mail) had a vernier caliper available with "HO" calibration (as well as inch/thousandths).

What most of your arguments boil down to, is similar to the story of the man talking to St. Peter (at the Pearly Gates) about how he got there, and explaining that because the "Red Light" wasn't the proper color, he was darned if HE was going to stop!

Chuck D.

Why would you not use the standards of your national body?

Are you about to spring it on me that you're NOT from the USa?

I don't do my HO modelling in feet and inches so such a vernier caliper would only be an annoyance to me.

Not at all - I pointed out that most prototype dimensions on rolling stock built to Imperial measurements have three units requiring individual conversions and which then need adding together, while metrics have just one - that's four chances of error _before_ one converts to a scale dimension After conversion the luckless Imperial modeller needs to convert his new number into (at least) two, being inches and fractions of inches. After all that we have materials produced in at least three differing measuring systems to combine into a model.

Put simply, archaic Imperial measures are a pain in the .... and it's a long overdue move for the US to come into line with the civilized world.

Regards, Greg.P.

Who says I don't?? They are advisory, not mandatory!!!

Nope!! Started modeling while in California, Eventually moved to Virginia. The "HO" seemed to me to be the same on both coasts. ;-)

Just pointing out the availability of 'helps' for the mathematiclly challenged.

In general, you are right. That said, this is a HOBBY, and those little challenges are a part of what is there to be enjoyed as a challenge, or ignored to whatever extent the individual 'Hobbiest' desires.

and it's a

[Right!! and mandate ENGLISH for language, the Latin alphabet, Arabic numbering, etc. Yeah,, good luck on trying to get that to happen.]

Chuck D.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:13:56 +1300, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Greg Procter instead replied:

There you go again, Greg. Show me where I ever did any such thing, you moron.

What you might consider doing is not nitpicking an answer to death and repeating your answer ad nauseum over a fractional part of one tenth inch and getting angry when you are challenged. I've seen you actually proven wrong and all you can do is drop from the thread instead of actually learning something. Thus, you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you may be one of this year's most wacko contributors to this newsgroup. Couple that with your unprovoked attack on my e-mail box and you're the clear winner.

You're certainly not against being both offensive and obnoxious, for example: "> you moron."

I've made the two points; that rounding a factor (example 87.1 instead of 304.8/3.5) _multiplies_ the error and I've pointed out that mixing measuring systems is daft.

I've seen you

In what sense do you imagine I'm wrong - you abuse me because I nitpick ad nauseum and you take my leaving the discussion when it's obvious there's nothing to be gained from continuing it as my having lost the argument. Is that you being stupid or totally obnoxious?

You're certainly not against being both offensive and obnoxious, for example:

Regards, Greg.P.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:33:53 +1300, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Greg Procter instead replied:

Oh, dear. The old "I know you are but what am I?" defense for being a moron. Nothing new here, Greg. Keep it up.

-- Ray

Greg is attention starved and will present the most wacko nonsense just to get some attention. By interacting with him in any way you are just feeding his attention starvation but, have at it if you want.

Paul

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:02:23 -0600, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and snipped-for-privacy@pimin.wan.vpn instead replied:

Thanks, Paul, for that timely information. I was sort of having fun here but for the sake of the hobby, I'll do a "catch and release" on old Greg. Perhaps next time I'll try a wet fly.

-- Ray

Granted, you don't. What you *do* is dribble small but consistent amounts of utter shit, and when the person you are dribbling on has had enough and snaps, you act the injured innocent. But no, no tirades...

Pig's arse you were. You were dribbling shit about the metric system versus imperial, and presuming to tell that poor Danish bloke all about modelling scales used in Europe - which being from New Zealand you'd be an expert on, eh?

Pig's arse you are. Your poor performance in discussions of signalling and operating rules puts paid to *that* notion.

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Salvé Dear Ray you are both right and wrong (I'm thinking of becoming a politician!....) in Britain zero is often as a numeral pronounced and written as O, so you can call it HO (OH) or pronounce it Hzero, but I think a lot of péople would look at you sideways.......muttering....... Beowulf

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:51:34 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and "Beowulf" instead replied:

None of this changes the size of the trains, the trackage or the joy we have in modeling. The trains on the shelf still look the same, run along the tracks the same and we can't demand that manufacturers take into account the minor variances being discussed because of the inaccurate conversion being done by the cruelties of mathematics.

HO is HO. I'm sure glad my scale is N.

-- Ray

I looked closely at producing O scale versions of my HO European kits for sale in South Germany. The advice I got from a reasonably large number of potential customers, modellers and retail outlets was that I should produce in 1:43.5 scale, not 1:45.

Considering your total ignorance of the subject outside your on front yard, you can hardly claim that of me.

I looked closely at producing O scale versions of my HO European kits for sale in South Germany. The advice I got from a reasonably large number of potential customers, modellers and retail outlets was that I should produce in 1:43.5 scale, not 1:45.

Considering your total ignorance of the subject outside your on front yard, you can hardly claim that of me.

ummmm which version of N? hohohohohoho :) beowulf

"> That's _102_ years ago - the number of people in Denmark old enough to

Greg you are way out on this one, the railway 50 meters from my flat (Apartment) is a Swedish narrow guage railway running on three swedish feet gauge there are others still measured in feet and inches (Fot and Tum) I can go to my local timber yard and order without anyone blinking an eye timber in feet and inches (yes yards too ....Aln) it is true that for most purposes metric is used but the old measurements are still in use even in France. By the way the imperial measurement of today is not that of 150 years ago or that of any other european nation, or indeed that of the USA, each has its own standards, time to stop this silly argument before you really put your foot in it:9 Beowulf

I long since stopped - so how do your suppliers know which you're ordering of Swedish, British, French or any of the other pre-metric feet.

Years ago I started building a French loco from an 1850s French book I own (side view only) After a time it struck me that some dimensions like buffer height were wrong, and finally that _all_ the dimensions I converted were wrong. I never did have the heart to start that one again.

Regards, Greg.P.