BR Numbers for GWR locos

Does anyone know of a web site that lists the numbering changes from GWR loco numbers to BR numbers. I am finding out which of the GWR locos required for my layout are sold under the guise of a BR style and numbering (such as the BR 4MTs from Farish).

Thanks

Luke

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Luke Briner
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GWR locos didn't change their numbers, they stayed the same. It was everyone else (LNER, LMS, SR) who had to change. Probably just another example of Swindon being bloody minded, as in 'this is our region, we do what we want'. After all Gresley Was Right...

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James Christie

Not sure what you are really asking but the following might help;

Ex GWR loco's kept their GWR numbers on the formation of British Railways, any ex GWR designed loco's built after 1948 were given numbers within 1 to

9999 range together with GWR style cab side number plates. The only way to tell a pre nationalisation GWR loco apart from a post nationalisation version is by it's colour scheme (and possibly the fitment of a smoke box door number plate.

BR designed steam loco's were allocated the number range of 70000 to 99999.

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:::Jerry::::

Maybe something to do with the fact that GWR numbers were cast brass.

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MartinS

Well one region had to have the low numbers and the WR had cast cabside numbers whilst the other regions only had painted on ones.

It wouldn't have made much sense to insist on the WR removing all the cast numbers and painting new ones on.

If it was to happen today, of course that would be another matter!

Dave W

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Dave Westerman

But on that same slant all LMS locos had smokebox numberplates which had to be changed. And didnt some Jubilees and A4s have cast cabside numbers, or where they removed during the war?

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James Christie

They were the only line with cast number plates. All the others had them painted.

There were some renumberings but these were just prior to nationalisation, to separate the oil-burners into number sequences apart from the main sequence of each class. And also of other locomotives to make room for them.

For today's modellers probably the best known was the renumbering of the 48xx 0-4-2 tanks to 14xx to free up the 48xx series for oil-fired versions of the 28xx and 38xx 2-8-0s.

Reply to
Christopher A. Lee

Not quite, some LNER A4's had Stainless steel numbers in pre war but they would have been removed due to Thomson's 1945 renumbering. IIRC no LMS had cast cab side number plates.

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:::Jerry::::

":::Jerry::::" wrote

I don't recall any BR built GWR designed locos with a number below 1000.

Locos absorbed by the GWR at the Grouping in 1923 were given numbers below

1000, and I believe had small 'GWR' letters cast into the cabside numberplate above the numbers.

John.

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John Turner

Quite true, but they could have been, due to the BR(W) 'number range' - just think, if a replacement for one of the VoR loco's had been built in the early '50 say, what do you think it's number would have been... :~)

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:::Jerry::::

In message , ":::Jerry::::" writes

On nationalization the V of R locomotives were numbered 7, 8 and 1213. This last one was renumbered 9 on 30 March 1949.

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John Sullivan

In message , John Turner writes

Actually, you seem to have left a 0 out of that last number, as the following extensive list (culled from RCTS vol. 11) shows.

Alexandra (Newport ....) Docks: 1191, 1201/4-9/11, 1340-1/4-6/56, 1426,

1679/83 Barry: 1311-23/47-55/7/80-90 Cambrian: 1014/29/35/43/68/82/4-6/8/90-1/3/6-7. 1100-10/2-8/29-32/90-2, 1196-8, 1212/3, 1328-33, 3521/46 Cardiff: 1327/38/9, 1667/76/89. Rhymney: 1324/5 Taff Vale: 1000-2, 1133, 1184, 1301-6/42/3 Brecon and Merthyr: 1084, 1113, 1372-5, 1391, 1402/12/52/8/60, 1668/70/4/7/85/92-4, 1833, 2161/9-73/7-91. BPGV: 2162-8/76/92-8 MSWJ: 1003-11/3/9-28, 1334-6. Neath and Brecon: all of them: 1114/7, 1277, 1327/71/92, 1400, 1563/91 1715, 1882, 2174/5/89/99 Port Talbot: 1189, 1326/58-60/78/9 Rhondda & Swansea Bay: 1167, 1307/9/10, 1652/60, 1710/56, 1825/34, 2756 South Wales Mineral: 1546, 1806/11 Swansea Harbour Trust: at grouping: 1085/6/98; 8 locos renumbered 1140-7 under the GWR's 1946 renumbering scheme. Powlesland and Mason: at grouping: none; 4 locos renumbered 1150-3 under the GWR's 1946 renumbering scheme
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John Sullivan

There's at least one exception. GWR No 2 became 15100 upon nationalisation........

It was a Hawthorn-Leslie 350hp diesel-electric shunter delivered in 1935. Similar to a batch of 10 delivered to the LMS, 2 of which survived to become

12000-12001 in BR days. Just before nationalisation, the GWR were starting a separate diesel number series and the above loco was allocated 500, but never carried it. Further diesel shunters ordered for the GWR, but delivered after Nationalisation actually had cast brass numberplates - 15101-15107. No2/15100 always had a painted number.

Cheers, Mick Waiting for the Judith Edge kit of the above loco!

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Mick Bryan

An odd exception was a Peckett 0-4-0ST which was purchased by BR from the liquidator of Ystalyfera Tinplate Works and added to stock in July 1948. It was included in the GWR number series as no 1, but with painted rather than cast cabside numbers.

David

David

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gwr4090

You wait all day for a train, and then suddenly one thousand, two hundred and five all come along together...

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Chris Tolley

And on the Vale of Rheidol, look you!

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MartinS

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