Class 118 white livery query

Hi,

This was the standard livery for refurbished units from the mid-70's. More details here:

Cheers, Martyn

Thanks for that - First time I'd seen that livery (I went away to sea about that time, ended upliving abroad and didn't get back for a few years)

Mike

White with a blue stripe was the standard livery for all refurbished DMUs around the turn of the 70s/80s. Certainly all the DMUs in the north-east which went through the refurbishment programme around that time initially came out in white w/blue stripe (up until then they'd been overall blue). However, the colour scheme didn't weather well and by the early 80s (certainly before 1982-3) they were being repainted in blue/grey.

Thanks again - I was away during that period and missed that one

Mike

Happy to help :) As another poster pointed out, it was nearer 1975 than 1980 when the blue-stripe colours were in use. I should have been able to figure that out as I remember repainting a Triang DMU in white and blue stripe colours, which would make it pre-1978 (when I decided to have a go at OO9 for a few years :)

I gather there was a trial in 1974 with a Class 100 two car set showing four liveries (one on each side of each car) that travelled the regions - Now that'd make an interesting one off!

Info has now been inserted into . . .

This page is to be divided into a series of pages and moved to form part of Appendix Three once I get it together sorting that out - The illustrations were already done for the most part (for livery examples) so there will not be many more for a while.

Many thanks for the help

Mike

Oops -

Mike

Eeek, a few problems with the HST entry.

The class 253 replaced loco-hauled trains on the London-Bristol/S Wales lines, not the blue pullman (already long gone), and the original livery was standard blue/grey for the coaches. An example of the first livery is at

(thanks to John Turner).

The class 254 was used on the ECML, and was the same as a 253 but had an extra coach (either a TSO or another buffet car).

You're also missing the class 252 (protoype HST unit) and also the 210 protoype DEMU units . . . .

Hope this helps, and a nice page, BTW.

Cheers, Martyn

"M Roberts" wrote

Thank you, glad to be of use.

Some strange formations were created around this time; this one shows a 254 with two buffets, but not marshalled next to each other which appeared to be the norm

whilst it's just about possible to make out that the two buffer cars are marshalled together in this view - and is what I'd consider to be the 'normal' arrangement when two buffets were included:

Think this is the 252 to which you refer:

John.

Many thanks chaps - Bulk people stock is outside my personal area of interest but someone edited the section on diesels so I thought I should try and tidy up the rest. In the event I have learned a lot so I cannot complain. The sketches are all to be replaced - I'm working on a laptop, which has a high contrast screen and shifts the colours to compensate for the blue-bias of LCDs - I do have a proper machine with a proper CRT display, so when I get a chance I will re do the drawings - I cannot improve the detail much, they all look fine at

1024x768 but when jpeged and pushed down to 400 pixels wide things tend to degenerate into mush.

I'll sort out the DMU data asap - Thanks again for the pointers, much appreciated

Mike

HSTs with buffers - Will it never end!

One odd thing, the design of DMUs has apparently always tried to embody 'futuristic' styling - In the 1930s this was 'streamlined' . . .

This was followed by the space shuttle in 2001 . . .

Then, after the moon landing, the future looked like the back end of a washing machine . . .

Regards

Mike