"Alexander Lamaison" wrote
Hornby have traditionally (and incorrectly) referred to any non-brake coach as a composite, and I suspect that's why we've ended up with some pretty useless coach offerings if one wants to make up a prototypical rakes from Hornby coaches.
Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to have a brake composite.
John.
I was thinking of buying this carriage set from eBay:
Thank you for all your help
Alexander Lamaison
Just looking at the photo, the window spacing suggests that this is indeed a composite coach. It does seem odd then that there are "1" markings on the doors at both ends, but I'm not in a position to say whether this is prototypical or not.
Graham Farish did/do the Mk1 BCK in N gauge, although they were pretty rare in real life.
"Alexander Lamaison" wrote
I don't know how the Coronation Scot train was made up so can't answer your query but
John.
"Dave Fossett" wrote
If it's described as a composite then it should have more than one class of passenger accomodation. If it's only for first class passengers then it's NOT a composite.
Some coaches were reclassified in later years, some first class were downgraded for second class usage, but that wouldn't mean they continued to be classified as first class coaches.
I've got one of the Hornby Gresley "composites" on my layout, but as I didn't want any first class accomodation on that particular train it's had the first class branding removed from the doors. So it now effectively becomes a 2nd corridor (and consequently is no longer a composite coach).
John.
Makes you wonder if Hornby, gorblessem, use the label 'comps' to refer to compartments...
-- Regards,
Steve Jones, Shropshire, England
"Steve Jones" wrote
But they use it for corridor coaches too! I think they believe it's the term for a non-brake coach. Doh!
John.
In message , Alexander Lamaison writes
Ah, all is made plain. The description on their web site is wrong. The description in their catalogue is "1st class coach" which is more like it.
Bachmann do one or two in OO.
In olden days you even had a tri-composite, which contained seats of
1st, 2ns and 3rd classes.
It's the same body moulding Hornby has used for its Stanier LMS/MR coaches for many years (very similar to the metal Hornby-Dublo version); it has four 2nd/3rd class comapartments and 3 larger 1st class.
The Hornby LNER Gresley brake is a 1st/3rd composite. The Stanier and Gresley coaches use the same chassis and interior mouldings.
Nearly always; as mentioned on the uk.railway group some time ago, the Manchester-Hadfield EMUs proved an exception to the rule. Being an LNER design, all coaches first carried, correctly, E as a suffix and prefix. When the LMR decame responsible for the sets, M was the prefix, but coaches were still suffixed E (again, correct). However, a slip-up was perpetuated from the '70s up until withdrawal so that some of the stock incorrectly had M as the suffix too - though not designed or built by the LMS!
David E. Belcher
Some Bulleid stock made its way to the Eastern Region for a while, appearing in lined maroon (*very* rare for SR-built coaches) with E-prefix numbers.
David E. Belcher
"David E. Belcher" wrote
Where were they used please David? Presumably on inter-regional workings - although the stock of Newcastle/York to Poole workings were still "S" prefixed into the 80s despite being in blue/grey livery.
John.
Not sure about the routes they were used on. I have seen photos of maroon ER Bulleids, and can only presume these were displaced from main lines in Kent by EMUs in the late 50s. Interestingly, another wave followed in the mid 60s, but this time they were swapped with Eastern Mk.Is, the undergoing, so it would seem, rebuilding into Bournemouth line MU stock - see;
David E. Belcher
Oops. A 'latter' seems to have been left out between 'the' and 'undergoing'. Sorry about that.
David E. Belcher
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