LMS Black 5's

In preservation, late 1960s/early 70s, IIRC. Also one in Furness Railway Indian Red & one in L&NWR lined black with Cauliflower.

There's a prototype for everything!

"peter abraham" wrote

Not in LMS nor British Railways days, when they were always black except:-

In 1948 experimental liveries were applied to individual class 5s preceding the final choice of BR colour. No 4762 was painted Southern greem, 4763 LNER green and 4764 in GWR green. At the same time 45225 was painted in (LNWR-style) lined black for comparison purposes and this was the livery finally chosen. The tenders of all the experimental liveried 5s were letter 'BRITISH RAILWAYS'. [1]

John.

[1] - from The Stanier 4-6-0s of the LMS by Rowledge and Reed (David & Charles Locomotive Studies ISBN 0 7153 7385 4)

I have a 'maroon 5' here somewhere - it is a Hornby and we ALL know that Hornby ALWAYS stuck to modelling prototypes

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Rock on Dock Shunters!

Steve

Thanks John, That's about where my memory has it.

There lies my dilemma. having acquired an old maroon LMS 5 the number on it is that of one built whilst I was at primary school in the late

1940's and I remember it new and black. All of the lower numbered 5's were late built ( the lower, the later as the first was 5000 ( 45000). But these days I am not allowed to be pedantic.

"peter abraham" wrote

Paint brush & a pot of black paint sir - problem solved!

John.

John, my very thought!

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Peter...

LMS 5000 was first in the pre-WW2 numbering scheme but not the first Black 5 to enter traffic.

The Vulcan Foundry delivered several of the 5020 to 5069 series before any of Crewe's 5000 to 5019 batch were completed.

Then again, why not ask yourself why they were nicknamed as such ;-)

Weren't they called blacks (black 5) and reds (Jubilees), Bl 5 being mixed traffic was always black and Jubilee being express passenger was always red.

Kevin

"Kevin" wrote

B1s were not always black - some were released in Apple green livery.

John.

Thanks Eddie - you are the undisputed fount in this field.

Absolutely, I can recall at least one came down to Bristol when I were a sprog. We had but two maroon Jubilees prior to the nationalisation.

Not true, some Jubs were painted black (1946 livery) in LMS days. Not counting war time black for locos which were shopped & needed a repaint. This was only regarded as temporary.

"John Turner" wrote

"Kevin" wrote

B1s were not always black - some were released in Apple green livery.

John.

It says Bl - Not B1 ( Bravo Lima -) I think Kevin was shortning the Black..... The type face makes them very hard to distinguish, granted !

But your quite right with your reply ! :-)

Andy

"Andy Sollis" wrote

Hi Andy,

Yes, I can see it now, but that just highlights the importance of clear communications, which is often sadly lacking on the internet.

John.

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Peter...

All the Vulcan Foundry-built B1s were, as I recall, turned out in fully lined out LNER apple green.

They used to leave VF two at a time, every Thursday afternoon, passing our school field around lunch time.

It must have fitted some kind of standard path across the Pennines because the WW2 Austerity 2-8-0s and successive batches of EE diesel electric locomotives all took that same path from 1943 right into the middle

1960s. They were en route to acceptance trials based, I think, at or around Doncaster.

You read my lower case L (l) as a 1. I meant Black 5's were called blacks and Jubilees were called reds.

Kevin

"Kevin" wrote

Yes, I've acknowledged that, but to be fair your posting wasn't clear.

John.