LMS Black 5's

To us in the SW there were black 5's, Jubilees, Patriots,OXO's, Jintys and Crabs. Now and then a garrett to drool over;

What is an OXO?

Kevin

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A cube for putting stock into? :-)

A Roman Big Bertha?

Any 0-6-0 Tender Engine (midland)

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Hmmm. "Black Five" works just fine on this PC.

What's a Garrett? Oh OK, the traction engines from Leiston in Suffolk?

"Kevin"

I was brought up on the Midland mainline in West Yorkshire and Stanier engines were everyday motive power. We referred to the main Stanier classes exclusively as:-

Black 5s (never blacks) Jubes (never reds)

John.

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Were they never called "Mickeys" over in Outer Yorkshire? (as in "Mixed Traffic", 5MT)

Common expression over here: "It's only a Mickey!" when the Liverpool-Llandudno flyer failed to produce the expected Jub or Scot.

"David Jackson" wrote

Occasionally head the 'Mickey' name, but certainly not an everyday expression.

John.

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When I were a lad they carried

"Stanier 5 MT" ?

(kim)

Wouldn't that cause confusion with the Ivatt Class 2 2-6-0?

(kim)

Kim asked:

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No Kim...

The assorted company perched on the then comfortable ex-LNWR wooden fence*** at Winwick Jn might or might not refer to a Black 5 as a Mickey but the (then) brand new Ivatt 2-6-0s received the extended name of Mickey Mouse.

"kim" wrote

We're talking about a hobby involving (mainly) young kids here Kim - confusion was the order of the day, otherwise why give anything a nickname at all?

John.

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Nah! They were Mickey Mice... [on the grounds that they couldn't pull themselves along, so don't give them a train]

This Great Western bigot thinks that the Ivatt class 2s were possibly the best of the modern post war locomotives - especially after they were given better drafting copied from the Dean Goods.

Both tank and tender versions.

Hawksworth had a design for a lightweight 4-4-0 using a domeless version of its boiler in much the same way as this County class had a boiler derived from the 8F. It was intended to replace the old double-framed 4-4-0s but was never built.

I think it would have been a pretty little engine. A modern boiler on a small 4-4-0 with GWR chimney, safety valve cover, cab, tender etc and a continuous splasher like the Counties. But it couldn't have pulled much. The 2-6-0 was much better.

On moving - at the tender age of 5 - from the South Coast to north Manchester, and with the four-track ex-L&Y Manchester to Blackpool line at the end of the avenue, I became interested in the trains at the end of the road. From the friendships I struck up, I recall the local nicknames were: "Stan Tanks" - any Stanier 2-6-4T (we rarely saw Fowler/Fairburn/Ivatt tank engines; "Crabs" - the Hughes-Fowler 2-6-0's (but not the Stanier 2-6-0's, which were rarely seen); "Mickeys" - Stanier Black 5's; "Pats" - rebuilt and unrebuilt "Patriots"; "Jubs" - Jubilees; "Scots" - Royal Scots; "Prinnies" - "Princess" Class; "Semis" - Coronation Class (latter two only seen when visiting Manchester London Road); "Shielder" - any locomotive with smoke deflectors; "Coffeepots" - Fowler 0-6-0T; "DubDees" - Austerity 2-8-0's and - eventually - "Brits" and "Clans" for the named Standard locomotives. As far as I can recall there was no nickname for the Stanier 2-8-0's, although we did see plenty of them. ... and that was what 6/7/8 year olds in the Pendlebury area called them! Hope this helps,

David Costigan

at Toton.