Very sorry to hear it

Just zis Guy is many things, but a troll is not one of them. I find almost all his posts [1] thoughtful and informative.

If you prefer atrocities to be more recent, then perhaps you've missed the reporting of the ceremonies marking the 10th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre of innocent civilians.

R.

[1] except for the pun wars, and they are thoughtful and amusing.

"Richard" wrote

Yes, Guy's a long-standing poster to this Group, which is more than can be said of 'Lost Control' who seems to have just appeared from the woodwork.

John.

Thats easy, Germany, 1938, a small town in Spain called Guernica, some painter or other did a picture about it.

Tell me, when did New Zealand grant there imperial dependancy Western Samoa independance?

A while ago I met someone at a model railway show who imported fairly cheap HO resin kits for Czechoslovakian locos, made by a Czech cottage industry somewhere (the kits, not the real locos). Having left the show I realised I'd quite fancy one, but I'd forgotten to take any contact details...

A while ago I met someone at a model railway show who imported fairly cheap HO resin kits for Czechoslovakian locos which were used in Iraq, made by a Czech cottage industry somewhere (the kits, not the real locos). Having left the show I realised I'd quite fancy one, but I'd forgotten to take any contact details...

Possibly? AIRES HOBBY MODELS Resin Model Kits made in Czech Republic

Distributed by M&G Hobbies Inc.

2902 Rte 130 North, Tenby Plaza, Delran, NJ 08075, Phone: (856) 461-3553, FAX: (856) 461-3886

..or possibly not, but perhaps worth a fax.

Cheers, Steve

At Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:21:59 +0100, message was posted by Richard , including some, all or none of the following:

Thanks - opinions differ on that when you stray onto my pet hobby-horses, of course :-)

Guy

Without going into great detail I choose to use alias'es that change every few months. Why? I've been a newsgroup user since 1998ish, I subscribe and contribute to many groups including this one for the past few years however I have been quiet recently due to commitments elsewhere but do nether-the-less enjoy reading about a hobby of mine, railways and models in particular. I believe I last posted under another alias, probably a loco number but as I don't keep records of my alias's I couldn't tell you exactly. I use alias'es for many reasons, however we have had regular communication with you each other in the past John and even been a mail order customer of yours. Obviously on many of those occasions I have used my true id.

Because of the job I do I do not wish to be known by my true id on open groups such as this.

At Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:44:18 GMT, message was posted by "Lost Control" , including some, all or none of the following:

Yes, why? You didn't answer that. Using aliases is one thing, nym-shifting is another. It's usually a characteristic of those who tend to end up in a lot of killfiles. Do you find that?

Guy

In 1942 yes, by the late war period RAF strategic bombing was the most accurate in the world, night time bombing included, surprisingly enough even bettering US day time attacks even thought they used the Norton bomb sight with the famous "Pickle Barrel" accuracy.

And while I have to confess to being *far more interested in the L&Y High Flyer* in the other thread and would love to see some piccies when it's done I'm curious (for the sake of argument) as to how civilians are defined and exactly what's wrong with targeting them?

"Chris Wilson" <

In the vast majority of cases, especially in high level bombing, the U.S's poor bombing accuracy was, I believe, due to them relying on the squadron bombardier. All the aircraft followed the slight leader, they turned when he turned, climbed when he turned, open their Bomb bay doors when he did and, dropped their bombs when he did. U.S. bombers relied on the flight lead not only for navigation but also for bombing. They may have had the "World's most accurate bombsight" but each individual bombardier just watched the lead aircraft and dropped when they did.

I'm subject to correction on any or all of the above.

-- Cheers Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway

...

You're far more tolerant than me ...

... because I would have no qualms whatsoever in bombing villages and the like concerned in the production of drugs for export to the UK and hanging anyone concerned in the supply of the same.

...

I'm not good buddy, I'm thinking of the various Maori Wars ... quick reminder, they commenced 5 years *after* the treaty of Waitangi you later mentioned. ;-)

You need you are absolutely correct.

The "best in the world" was still something like a 5 mile radius - that's not in any way a put-down. (My uncle was an RAF bomber pilot)

Anyone not involved in the military. (I guess)

They tend to go all squishy or turn into crisps.

In the last year or so, the US (and Britain?) have claimed private contractors in Iraq doing such jobs as driving supply trucks carrying munitions etc to the military and others building fortifications in Bagdad are "civilians" and are therefore not legitimate targets for the "terrorists".

Regards, Greg.P.

Appreciated, however by late war the old "5 mile" thing is way off using such devices as "Gee", "Oboe" and "H2S" was a thing of the dim and distant past. Likewise day time raids, nowadays we talk of the pin-point accuracy of modern guided weapons however even back then exact accuracy could be achieved ... Amiens Prison for example.

That's the sort of point I was thinking of making, remembering that a war is a conflict between nations who is a legitimate target? The soldier in the field, the one carrying him supplies, the train driver bringing the food and munitions to the rail head, the farmers producing the food for the soldiers, the nurse that gets the wounded soldier back in to the fight, the schoolteacher that indoctrinates the young men in to joining the fray etc etc etc ... I'd argue that in war there is no such thing as a "civilian".

There's a big difference between a Mosquito dropping a single bomb from 50 feet up and 1000 Lancasters dropping loads of bombs from 30,000 feet. At (say) 240mph and 30 seconds to unload the bomb bay, the single aircraft has travelled 2 miles and therefore the bombs will be trailed in a two mile line. If the 1000 aircraft travelled in single file 30 seconds apart and dropped on the same marker they would take 8 hours 20 minutes to unload and in doing so would make an easy target for anti aircraft guns. In reality they flew clumped together - not too close and not one above the other, so my "5 mile radius" actually starts to look a bit small, even with _pinpoint_ accuracy!

I'd argue for "front line", "supply", and "munitions/weapons manufacturing" as legitimate targets., but that would be because I'd prefer not to be a target. We're still a bit close to last Thursday for "taxpayers" to be considered.

Regards, Greg.P.

Decades ago.