Disgusting

"Modern" doesn't always mean "better". On "hovering" ....A challenge? I'm sure. Noisy, boring (after the 4th or 5th one) and just plain (and plane) disruptive.....Undoubtedly.

My .02 worth.

Mike

AMEN! Let'em try to hover a Dr.1! LOL! For that matter, let'em try to just land one without flipping it over! Certain maneuvers are easy when the plane is designed to do them. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Boy, you sure do sound like a stick in the mud kind of guy! After all, shouldn't EVERYTHING be designed for the IG guys? . . . . . . . (that was a joke) IG = Instant Gratification

"Old Pattern" is getting to be a rather lost art and is far more difficult than simply performing maneuvers. Seems that "modern" flying is more about extremes than actual flying precision.

I see the need to master all disciplines before calling yourself an expert. I am far from that in several aspects!

Are you saying hovering is easy on anything but a Dr1?

I want to see you hover a plane someday........even one that is designed to do it. Certain maneuvers ARE hard.........until you prove me wrong.

Everyone wants to attest it takes no skill to hover.........so show me.

Oh wait, let me guess.....you don't have the TIME to be goofing off, etc., etc.........

Brad

No one says it doesn't take any skill to hover. It takes less skill to perfect one maneuver than it does to perfect a very repeatable series of precise maneuvers, though!

I can hover a Ballistick fairly easy and it is not specifically designed for that. Any plane with sufficient power and a thrust line very close to the CG can be hovered. Where many planes run into problems is when the thrust line is offset from the CG.

IF you are able to read, you will know I never said that. Let me repeat myself and rephrase it so even you can understand it.

Some planes are designed to perform certain maneuvers well or more easily than others. Typically, pattern planes are easy to fly smoothly, straight and level, and do smooth aerobatics with, because they are designed to fly that way. Remember, any bobble is a loss of points. It's hard to do smooth aerobatics with the sport plane I designed, because it's not built to do that type of flying. 3D planes are DESIGNED to perform 3D maneuvers more easily than other types of planes. Therefore, it's easier to perform a hover with a

3D plane than it is with most sport planes. Now, you prove ME wrong.

You will not see me hovering because that type of flying holds absolutely no interest for me. In my LONG R/Cing career, I've done full competition fun fly, sport, scale, and giant scale. I fly what I like, you may fly what you like. However, you must allow me to not like what you fly. Speaking of planes designed to do certain things well, take a look at an unlimited class fun fly plane and fly it, when you get the nerve.

Sure I do, and I do "goof off" with my sport planes. When I fly my scale planes, I fly them in a scale-like manner.

I repeat...it doesn't take AS MUCH skill to hover a 3D plane as it does, let's say, a Great Planes Super Sportster or a J-3 Cub. You'll never convince me it does. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Good grief! I got skill and I didn't even know it. I can hover my GP SS MkII.

Hovering ain't the big deal folks make it out to be if your engine's got the juice.

Texas Pete

What ever happened to flying for the fun of it???

That's the only kind I do! I just happen to get a big dose of fun flying warbirds and pylon (usually together!)

Thanks, Pete. It's some skill, fur sur, but a LOT the right engine and prop, too. :) Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Haven't you heard? The AMA banned it! The members were enjoying it too much! :)

That is very true. Setup is probably more important than raw skill.

It is against some rule somewhere.

Go to the SPAD site and build yourself a QHOR for under $10 (does not include radio and engine) and stick on a .25 Norvel with a 9x4 prop or a TT GP.40 with a 10x4 prop and you'll be able to hover six inches off the ground all day long after a little practice. It'll drive the guys with the $3000 monster airplanes nuts too! Lotsa' cheap fun! Joe L.

Another thought - some pattern fliers (now 3D types), liked to be the center of attention. Winning at pattern was an ego event for them, most others tried to do their best - for their own satisfaction. This

3D fad is an evolution of that behavior. My basis for this is - when we lost our flying field and had to accept another that was concealed from the passing public, the "attention lovers" bailed out. Those of us left felt much relief, BTW. No more "lightning bugs" out there shining their asses and disrupting those who just wanted to fly for their own relaxation. Oh, almost forgot - the AMA seems to be predominantly about competition, so these remarks are likely unwelcome.

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No more "lightning bugs" out there

And BTW, hasn't one of the most popular "maneuvers", the tail-touch, been forbidden by the AMA? There goes half their show at one swipe.

the AMA seems to be

Actually, the AMA is about sport flyers. Except for once a year when the whole damn office shuts down to cater to the macho-ego pattern jocks in "THE NATS". A competition event that the AMA puts countless time and $$$ into so 0.1%, that's right, one tenth of one percent of the membership, can enter. Yes, I know The Nats has other events, but let's call a spade a spade, if it weren't for pattern, the Nats would never be held.

It's the same reason I last flew in Joe Nall the year before they went to Triple Tree, and that's the last one I"ll EVER fly in. It's a giant 3D event with other planes just to fill in time between hovers, flip flops, wollygags, and other maneuvers that look like a bird flying with two broken wings. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

Kind of describes some of our other IMAA fly ins. Gosh - I wonder why the attendance seems to be way down?

Red S.

'Cause those planes all look the same, they all fly the same, and the pilots all do the same maneuvers; over and over and over, ad nauseum. (read: BORING!!!) Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"