From the Land of Mickey Mouse.

Absolutely. I _always_ reply in kind, as you well know.

Do recall you used the term "real slime".

Close, real close.

Your first missive in this news group, in November of last year, had to do with why you should bless AMA with your presence.

I replied, citing a number of reasons.

Your retort was to call me "paranoid".

You've been at it ever since, and have antagonized a goodly number of long-time participants in the news group in so doing.

Have you read the posts asking why participation in the news group is at an all time low ?

I think it is because of your antagonistic tendencies to engage in personal belittlement and insults that is the direct cause of the demise of the group.

What's wrong with the group is YOU.

More insults, more antagonism.

You don't know what you're talking about, aren't an AMA member, don't have recourse to make your opinion known to the AMA leadership, and do _you_ know what ? Your opinion as to whether the special election must be held or an appointment can be made is moot because you don't get a ballot and you don't get to tell anyone in AMA how _we_ should go about our business.

According to the AMA By-Laws, the option to appoint an interim replacement only exists when the death of the DVP occurs within three months of the normal end of term.

That's what the rules say, and that's what is supposed to happen.

That some of us detested Jim McNeill ought to be proof even to you that he and other members of the EC have been flouting the By-Laws for decades, and the appointment of one of his cronies is just more flouting of the By-Laws by the remaining members of the EC who think they can still get away with such antics.

Well, bub, Dave Brown's Yes-Man is dead and buried, so the automajik seconding of his agenda items just came to a screaming halt, and that cannot bode but well for AMA as a whole.

The death of Jim McNeill allows for the possibility that we just might be able to do business the way the By-Laws say we're supposed to do business.

All the reasons for joining AMA are all still there and all still valid.

Opting to remain outside an organization because one individual is already in that organization is hardly a sound reason.

Who don't you like ?

I'd bet you can find any number of folk you don't like, and can find reason not to join whatever organization they are part of just because you don't like them.

Really logical thinking there, bub.

You aren't going to affect my participation in the hobby or AMA one whit. I can't affect YOUR participation in the hobby _or_ AMA one whit, so what I think about you has no bearing on your participation in either.

Your position that AMA is all bad because you don't like me is sheer nonsense, and the sad part is that you're just too arrogant and stubborn to see what good AMA does and might do for you.

Stay on the outside if you want, but your sage counsel regarding AMA matters is singularly worthless until you have a ballot in your hand.

Otherwise, you comments about the proceedings of AMA is the real _rant_.

Dave Matthewson is taking a long hard look at that very section.

What he did relate is that on previous occasions of a DVPs expiration, the EC did different things according to how they felt at the time, and on the last instance noted that all previous instances were handled differently and also noted the "failing of the By-Laws" (Dave's words, not mine) to adequate define the process by which a deceased DVP is replaced.

It appears that the extant EC will have to figure out, once and for all, what the drafters of the relevant sections had in mind, if possible.

As we know full well, the EC can do whatever the EC decides they can do, and we'll all find out after the deed is done. Whether they abide by the By-Laws as written or invent yet another way to do things is not something we're likely to affect, except as some of us are consulted by those very same EC members.

I spent the better part of last evening and this morning composing a response to Dave's query on the issue, and hopefully it all made sense.

I think we have Dave to thank for helping stymie some of the more lunatic agenda items that have come from District V in recent years.

I do know that the "flood of e-mails" described by one former EC member had a major effect on two of those same nutty ideas, namely the CD punishment item and the Leader Member item.

If the EC do nothing more than abide by the By-Laws as written, they'll have to adhere to the bit about holding a special election. given that the three month interim appointment schtick is an exception to the rule, ostensibly to prevent having to pay for two elections back to back.

If they collectively choose to interpret the By-Laws every which way, who knows what course of action they'll take.

I do know that Dave is also taking a hard look at the business of handing out AMA memberships, Leader Member status, and District appointments in one fell swoop, because District V faces the distinct possibility of having a DVP who has done nothing to acquire the experience to lead a District, has been an AMA member right at four years, and has never built or flown a model aircraft.

Duh . . . that sounds awfully familiar . . . .

How about the e-mail address snipped-for-privacy@aol.com? Or is this another C. O. Jones? I guess Kevin is owed an apology for thinking you were both the same person.

RS

Someone has not got this message. :-)

From: "Judith Dunlap" SNIP Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Leader Member

BIG SNIP

Judi Dunlap Vice President District 5

On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:15:36 -0400, "Red Scholefield"

Would you be so kind as to forward that missive to Dave Matthewson ?

C.O. Still sounds, looks, appears to be Kevie Kline Incaranate.

Like I said, believe what you want! Your obsession is often quite amusing. If you think that's my address, why don't you try it? Or would that spoil your fantasy?

Jones?

Coward is as a coward does! It's easy to speak ill of the dead! Shows their true character! Regardless of ones association with them when alive.

Now why don't you grow up? Maybe someday you'll be worthy of cleaning my boots!

I'm convinced you're just a pimply-faced brat teenager who steals time on daddy's computer.

"Coward is as a coward does" ?

What the f*ck is that ?

You're the one making "challenges".

"Want to make something of it ?"

I figger 7th, maybe 8th grade at most.

Or is that your education level ?

Go play with the horsies and let the big boys alone before they pinch your head, bozo.

Sure! What's your address?

Wasn't my question, it was YOURS, dimwit, just like the schoolyard bully you are.

If you think I'm going to put my address in a USENET news group you're a bigger idiot than I had ever imagined.

Now f*ck off, dolt.

Like the man said Fred. From the land of Mickey Mouse! And you epitomize it to the max!

I have no doubt you are a certified expert in Mickey Mouse.

You demonstrated that proficiency when you claimed to have advised four Presidents.

Shut the f*ck up, blow hard.

The problem is Fred, you know I'm right! That's why you get so worked up! I yank your chain and you can't stand it!

Wrong again on several accounts as usual, nitwit.

You seem to think you have carte blanche to slander and insult all and sundry.

You seem to think you can do so without being taken to task.

You think you can make outrageous claims, like "I advised four presidents", and everyone here is too inept to realize you've told an impossible whopper just to puff up your own self-importance.

You can't even keep your lies straight.

You're not "right" by any stretch of the imagination, fool.

The only thing being "yanked" around here is your own pud, needledick.

Then why do you keep responding and allowing such short posts from me to cause you to wax verbose?

Fred,

Remember the pledge? Seems like a good time to resurrect it.

Oh gawd, he's got the thesaurus out again! Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"