Now ya started! Again Remember the "Dump yoru CAM & get Cimatron" thread? A Cimatron guy will always take Cimatron. Likewise with UG. Not sure about Cimatron Elete, but IT13 will run graphic commands as you stated with the 3button mouse. No sweet. Zoom, Rotate Pan + more. There is very little keyboard or menu pick usage for graphics, besides typing in dim.s. IT13 runs on the 3button mouse & combinations of the buttons do different, very intuitive things! Its like second nature after a while. If some one asked me what does what, I'd have to think about it a while. Never seen another system like it. The funny part that always puzzled me, IT13 will run on a bare bones system! load & shade complex 3D data! Not very fast but it runs. Damn software writers were geniuses?