Is it SW07 sp2 or is it me?

Sounds like a common mouse driver problem. Depending on your mouse driver, zooming in activates the mmb to control scroll bars instead of rotate. I think you have to assign the mmb to act as either an mmb or a wheel. 2007sp2 works properly for me here in that respect.

So zoomed into a "sketch" your mmb properly rotates? I have to ask again because my mouse driver hasn't changed and I did double check my settings; mmb set to middle button function (it was a good suggestion to check though).

In sp1 it worked properly, in sp2 it stops rotating if zoomed in, but only in a sketch. No changes to mouse driver or video driver, etc. (the usual suspects all have alibis)

My "Hmmm" continues...

- Eddy

Mine still rotates the same, but I can't lock onto a vertex to use as a rotation point. But I don't think that has ever been available.

WT

I know I might be beating a dead horse here but please edit a sketch and zoom way in and try rotating. Nothing on my machine has changed except updating to sp2. It's very repeatable here.

Thanks much folks,

- Eddy

Try the mouse thing. Really.

When you update a service pack, Windows sees it as a new application. Your mouse driver settings can turn off the functionality for a specific executable, and in a sp, that executable may have been updated or replaced.

What you describe is *exactly* the symptom of a mouse driver that changes the wheel to control the scroll bars once they are activated. If you try this with something outside of the sketch (like a solid, or an assembly) you will likely find that it does the same thing.

That's what I tried to do. I opened a part, edited a sketch, put in another line to play with, made it .0001" long, zoomed way in until it mostly filled the screen, then pushed my scroll wheel button and rotated the view. It rotated, but the line flew out of sight. Am I missing something here?

WT

Sorry Eddie I can't confirm either. It works for me zoomed WAY in.

Muggs

Eddy Hicks wrote:

Ok guys, thanks for confirming that it isn't sp2! I also had the opportunity at my var yesterday to confirm that firsthand (thanks Scott). I did triple check the mouse thing for sure Matt but it may be worth reinstalling the mouse driver just in case. There's a ghost in the machine somewhere. Knowing that it isn't categorically sp2 then I will update my other machines and we'll see what happens.

Thanks again all!

- Eddy

This problem has existed since at least sw98. There are two fixes, either add SW to the list of apps for which the special mmb/wheel functions are disabled in the mouse driver or uninstall the oem driver and use the default windows driver. It looks like it can happen with Intellipoint drivers or Logitech drivers.

Here are some references to the same problem:

Looks like we're both beating dead horses. I appreciate your time with the links and trying to help. I've went through the links and I've lived through the prior mouse issues dating back to, as you mention, at least ver98. And just to make sure I went ahead and removed the 3rd party (Logitech) wireless mouse drivers, rebooted, cleaned out the leftovers, etc. Result: same problem with the generic MS drivers. Open part, edit a feature sketch, zoom in with wheel and no rotate function. FWIW, when I do depress the wheel down to rotate the view, SW does highlight a nearby surface or edge, like it wants to rotate, but moving the mouse does nothing. Zoom out a few clicks of the wheel and rotate functions normally again. I don't know what is causing this, but I know what not's causing it.

Thanks again, I'll keep digging.

- Eddy

Ok, I went into SW config and reset all back to factory defaults. Mouse works normally again. Since I didn't change any config settings between sp1 and sp2 I have to believe there is something new in there that got toggled. I'm still digging and I'll report what I find. There has got to be a setting that controls zoom level rotate. Perhaps it's undocumented but at least I'm not nuts. At least not about this. :)

- Eddy

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Matt, Muggs, Wayne, please indulge me...

Using sp2, please enter config options and disable and enable "single command per pick" and test the zoom level rotate again. let me know what you find. Thanks!

- Eddy

Hello Eddy,

First of all I didn't realize that I needed to be editing sketch of a FEATURE. Sorry! I always have "single command per pick" enabled, so I went back and reread your other posts.

OK here's the deal: With the "single command per pick" option enabled (check box checked) I get the same non functioning MMB that you describe. But when I uncheck "single command per pick" all works as it should eg. I am able to rotate while zoomed in.

HTH, Muggs

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Ok, sorry for hounding you, you've got something here which is different from the mouse driver problem, although the symptoms are very similar.

using 07sp2 zoomed into a sketch with "single command per pick" turned on disables mmb rotation. zooming out reenables mmb rotate. it doesn't seem to be connected to the scroll bars, there is a slight window where the scroll bars are active and it still rotates normally.

Good catch.

Maybe you can charge your VAR for finding the problem.

No problem. I'll cancel the therapy I was going to order for being nuts. Thank you guys for spending the time!!

Eddy Hicks

Yup, same thing here. I don't ever have that setting on so that's why I haven't seen it. Sure sounds like a bug to me. Good job.

WT

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I got down to here in the thread before I realized that I had actually seen this problem. Thanks for finding out that "single command per pick" is at the root of it.

Jerry Steiger Tripod Data Systems "take the garbage out, dear"

My pleasure. Well, er, you know what I mean. I'm holding back on sp2 on the other machines for awhile :)

- Eddy

After submitting, this response came back...

" This issue is already been reported to the Development team as SPR #

350038 "Cannot rotate sketch while editing if it is not entirely within the graphics area when 'Single command per pick' option is checked." "

Thanks again all,

- Eddy