He is very clean and concise.. no extra jabber mixed in so far... he
just shows you the mouse moves with cursor circled in red, states the
name of the tabs, bars and buttons.. then does the moves. . then
ends. clean. I like that, it makes remembering easy.
there is hope.... but I can totallly 100% forget doing any piping jobs
on SE my guess it will be a year or so before they get a complete
library (no adapters in copper, brass or ss, no spools or isolation
spools, no valves of any type, only a maleable iron union. (their
free piping library is just what you'd call a few random samples. not
usalbe for a job... the 500 dolllar library is as above, and their
primo humungus library is missint the same parts..Id have to say its
because a non piping doood did the selections from catalogs more or
I willl have to move back to IV for pipe, or to TurboCAD for minor
pipe.. I might buy one of the plant piping systems Im looking at....
there is a very slim chance I will be up to loading the IV pipe
library into SE. I will ask around about that however.
I decided to try SE because I was hitting too many stone walls, bugs
and arcane complexities with IV, for my taste,
others might not find that a problem... but i was dropped on my head
as a small child, then crawled under an end table with
my diaper on when I was 18 months and stuck a hair pin into a wall
socket..that was nasty.,
then later in life there were all
the bar brawls, gun fights, red headed women, and flat tracking
accidents..Ive been hauled off screaming in pain
to the hospital many times... and that just kept going on untill I
was 67 and quit flat tracking.
Now im tying to calm down and learn solids but my nerves are shot.
SE, despite its issues with der piping...der steel library and der
wire termination (isnt any).
otherwise is about 80% simpler than Inventor (but not as capable at
the high end in some
aspects, engineering calculations for instance)..I found its tutorials
looked good, but were
bugged up a bit in spots etc..
SE is however 1,000% cleaner and much appreciated when it comes
putting things into draft mode, its line widths and styles in 2D is
the best Ive seen anywhere, you
can do some pretty hot looking 2D things,
I have non cad people ask me 'why do your wiring diagrams
look so hot'.. they mean it. (reason different line widths and styles
for components, boundaries, sub boundaries,
and different size wire etc... their wire routing in 3D should take
that up a huge notch..
in my business
a killer drawing is everything..I sell a lot of what I do with eye
The hole fuction in SE is
much superior to Inventors to say the least, but may be a bit more
limited in the technical details..for instance
I can draw a solid hollow donut in SE synch. and blow holes around
the perimeter in seconds with the
hole function.. just drag and click. what i like in SE, I like a
what they let you have of their extensively node locked Standard
is very impressive,(in piping for instance, free is ONE weld elbow, in
1", not sizable) it has 600 sections
(but misses a few ultra key items like valves of any sort for
very good looking compared to some aspects of Inventor (springs for
the node locked library has
650 categories.. it appears the plan is to sell it off for $500 or so
per section.... one wishes them well in
that regard... my view is that after a few more mechanical engineers
notice this... things will change radically
or some folks will be waking bow legged..
but maybe not...the scene is wonderous in that aspect
waiting though. Most of my work will go back to Iv and other
programs . and I will be recommending
for most of my clients TurboCAD... worth a look for sure.. at 15%
of what any of the majors cost, and
it has more features in many but not of course all aspects...
(my work is heavy on piping..and conduit, and Im a bit
toasted with der management approach to say the very least . .(I did
get a free personality
analysis and suggestions that was hot). (you wouldnt of made it
cliff .. you either JB ..
but it was free, even though extensive and repeated... I just love
RE JB and his not buying this crap to check it out or review it etc?
thats smart..This is the last time I pay
any of thsse people to try out any of their spun up crap... there are
other ways... if not, i will pass.
As many on this NG have
posted, the dog and pony show, bait and switch and outright lies from
vendors in this business is not its best
I think there is a huge disconnect between the mentality it takes to
actually design a functional factory for
instance and the mentality of the var'ous code guys with no background
at all in anything hands-on,,,
setting up these cad programs..
ive found damn few even know what a pipe fitting is..they say they do
or claim to be mechanical engineers
... then show you one elbow, in one size..and for them.thats it..
Regardless, I am learning a lot, Im already getting some minor skid
assy's drawings up, in a month or so, much
more complex ones..and in a year some killer work...that will help me
a lot in the national market and preclude
having to do as many on site dog and pony shows... and i have fathomed
the ethics level of der cad sales types...
I should not have been surprised..but I was.. totally shocked
In the future I will do what some of you have recommended... hand em a
solid and say' model it, use yer
pipe and wire routhing, produce a parametric spread sheet of it, then
edit the model'...then tell them if they can do it faster and
better than I can on my current system, and Im not any good at it
either, I will look at their offering.
If all they
can do is run a minor tutorial... well that says it all... I wont go
to der dog and pony show, eat der free donut or
any of that...
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