Opinions on School Syystem Sought

Aug 13, 2003 Last reply: 22 years ago 7 Replies

Hi I am looking over my daughter's school with an eye to advising the principal on a new lock system. Once we have a general direction in mind we will approach local suppliers. Here is what we have now: About 2/3rd of the building keyed with a Schlage master system. The locksets were installed in 1958 and are showing their age. practically all of the locks are cylindrical locksets (knobs). The main entrance panic bars and rest rooms are equipped with mortise cylinders. The remaining 1/3 of the building (the new wing) is equipped with a Best master system. My gut reaction is to build on the interchangeable system, and scrap the old Schlage hardware. We may have to do this in stages for financial reasons. All told there are about 75 locks in the system. Due to the age of the system its safe to assume that all keys are not accounted for. My questions are:



  1. If I recommended Best cylindrical locksets what series would be appropriate for a K-8 class room setting, a few offices, closets etc? What would the estimated unit cost per lock and cylinder be?
  2. Is there another brand of lock which will take the Best cylinder but is more economical than the Best branded hardware (of roughly equivalent rating)? What would the estimated unit cost per lock and cylinder be?
  3. I would propose a fairly simple GMK system with a master for class rooms and closets and another master for administrative& utility areas. Any thoughts? recommendations?
  4. Are lever sets required (recommended) for ADA or other reasons?
  5. The Best website has a link to Hirsch access controls. Does anyone have any experience with the Hirsch system? I like the idea behind the scramble keypad and if it would be possible to have one source of supply for locksets aand access controls so much the better.

Thanks very much..I appreciate your input.



Jim


Dear Jim, I talked to someone from Best some years ago. They don't sell to locksmiths, only to end users. LONG story behind that which I'll tell you if you ask. Arrow makes locks which take IC cores. I've had good luck with Arrow. Similar design to Schlage, and less expensive. It's been a while since I installed one, so you'd have to call your distributer.

McDonald Lock in my close dealer... I got a break when I ordered

120 at a time...they get real happy (so was the factory) when we discussed numbers... took 45 days to get that many built up, which was OK...

I have sold the local school 195 Marks now for 6? years... this is all the grades to replaces the normal door knobs as they go bad... in that time have had 1 'droopy handle', which cost 65 CENTS for the new spring to fix...

The school have built 2 new buildings-1 got Yale Handicapped installed, and lo and behold-the handles were made for 2 years, in China, and are NLA... I got 125 doors as job security now...as they break THe other new building has the big Mortise handle sets installed, Yale also, already had to get parts for one of them, which IMO-HAPPENS... they are a pretty good looking handle set but are many $

6 miles to the S, another school installed some grade 2 locks... after 6 1/2 months the builder had to replace ALL of them, with grade 1... and a different brand...THe Sargents were NOT holding up-as well they should not have, being a grade 2...

Local HS put access control system on 2 sets of doors, after 6 months removed them- they were NOT working out...went back to a key.

--Shiva-- nuk pu nuk

That's pretty much how I'd do it but remember... this is a school. Use ONLY Grade I hardware (or you'll be sorry). And I'm guessing that levers will be required to comply with ADA

Also, arrange it so that you can do the work during non-school hours.

Bobby

Great wisdom. Thanks. Especially working during non school hours.

I don't understand. I buy from Best all the time and sell their product to end users.

Ed

You might also want to look into "Taco" (pronounced tay-co). They make a good IC leverset that accepts best/falcon. I've been using them for years and have had no problems with them. They are much cheaper than any of the aformentioned lock brands.

That is a very good point. My locksmith shop was also founded in Seattle in

1921 and have had a relationship with Best for a very long time.

Thanks,

Ed Jasper Nyberg Lock Company

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