What a code!

IIRR, factory does NOT use 0, 1, or 2 unless its a masterkey system.. --Shiva--

Thanks for the reminder -- actually I've not seen higher than a 3 cut, so that makes sense. On the way home from the job, I remembered there is a weak point to F51N which I won't publish on a public forum.

I have seen a code 333222 - it was the GMK of a large MK system! Had been able to open those locks within seconds...

I have a building somewhere around me that the MK (I DID NOT SET THIS POS UP, BTW) is 44444 --Shiva--

Could be worse. I've seen one like that with spool pins.

Hmmmm...was set up by an idiot, I think. Btw, the 333222 is the MK of a very large system, spread over a big part of a german state, and it was set up by a lock manufacturer with a very good reputation. I have more examples for their lousy MK systems, they seem to love simple combinations for their MKs. Often it is like 52425 or 5362635, symmetrical patterns are their favourites.

I stayed in a motel one time that the MK was 11222, or maybe it was 22111. Anyhow, the next time there I brought some depth keys, and was able to open my own room with a #2 depth key.

And the system I worked on, one time. Schlage system, the MK was 121212.

Hey, thank you for sharing the stories. Sure is fun to laugh at others misteaks. And airrors.

Shiva, sir, I've been messaging with you long enough to know that you would never do such a thing.

Though, I have heard of a MK which was 00000. The guy just started with zero bitted locks, and add the proper master pins to make the change keys work.

That thought could keep me awake at night. EEEKKK!!!!!

I rekey a lot of locks for 1 customer.. he cant set the MK and I cant..he is told what to put it to.. always KW, and so far we have done about 3 different one.

ok, stop and think..just for discussion.. HOW MANY FOLKS, would, assuming they were trying a key, HAVE an uncut key?? IMO, unless you are 'in the business' somehow, you wouldnt..

I hade a preacher bought an early 60's Chevy truck, and he lost his only key, gave me a call, and i went and looked.. stuck a blank in the ignition lock and IT TURNED PERFECTLY.. I had a couple of scrap that did have cuts, stuck them in and it was 'locked'.. I handed him 2 blanks-proved that they worked, and went on my merry way..

--Shiva--

didnt one of Snow White Dwarves, sing a song?? HI HO HI HO, its OFF TO DRILL I GO?? or something close?? LOL

ps- a waste- spool pins in a KW Tylo type.

--Shiva--

But in this case you even do not need a key, you just insert some kind of needle into the lock, press the pins up/down (depending on the continent :-), and there you are! Even a child could accidentally unlock the lock by just poking around with a match... Even the 333222 MK system is almost that simple to unlock...

yes, sorta true..but, it would require 2 'instruments'.. 1 to hold the pin stack properly, while 'something else' to turn the plug.. IMO,, would be BLIND luck..not impossible but pretty hard

--Shiva--

That sounds like a public agency that sent me a letter a couple years ago. They wanted me to submit a bid to secure the house and secure all but front door. Key it to one of six random keys and a master key, and they gave me the MK code three or four times in the letter of solicitation. I did submit a bid, but kinda hoped I didn't get it. Now everyone in the locksmith biz knows the MK code to the public housing.

As to Kwikkie, I found a MK deadbolt on a customer's business one time -- the MK that I had from a previous job worked nicely. Wonder how many Kwikky tract MK there are out there? Maybe less than a dozen?

YOu're right about most folks not carrying uncuts.

Hey, interesting call about the truck lock. Good save.

It's been a long time since I saw Snow White for Locksmiths. But that sounds correct.

Spool pins in a Tylo. Now, that gets me thinking. How to drive a locksmith crazy? And a customer who keeps telling the lockie "the last guy picked it just like....[snaps fingers]". And who keeps askign what's taking so long.

you PICK a Tylo? unless its upside down, I dont.. faster method usually.. --Shiva--

Isn't that just normal behaviour for '60s trucks ? What happened if you put a screwdriver in it and turned? Sounds more like plain old wear in a POS lock than any deliberate funny keying.