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An EMP could be a decisive destructor but it is an improbable natural event and a difficult one to create.

However, the electrical grid is the weakest link in the chain of technology which underpins modern society and the easiest to bring down.

The solution is to dismantle the national computer operated shared grids and return to local power generation. This is also less vulnerable to political manipulation.

No, unfortunately it is just my Comm. room and equipment for my BOB. I'm not really worried about water, I feel that I have that covered.

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:02:24 -0400, the infamous John Husvar scrawled the following:

---------------------- Did Hell just freeze over? JRC and I actually agree on something.

You misspelled "morbid curiosity", John.

You all caught the small issue and missed the big one, the short mean free path of electrons at low altitude prevents them from generating much of a pulse outside the blast radius.

Compare 20KV/meter to a lightning strike, which power lines, aircraft instruments and radio towers generally survive. Several years ago it hit the pole outside my house and fried the phone line protection circuit, but didn't damage the cheap electronic phone connected to it.

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jsw

The survival instinct. Followed by revenge.

Wes

Too afraid to die...

A significant portion of existing computing and communication would be down. The military, presumably, would still be able, but our economy depends on a LOT of computing and communication. How vulnerable transportation, the other leg of the holy trinity, is debatable (someone mentioned electronics in modern engines, for example).

Dan

I've noticed that no Baptist that is saved, my self included, is in a hurry to meet our maker.

Wes

-- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

An American SSBN or six, on the other hand, could sneak right up to within a couple of minutes range of just about anyone in the world and in two minutes an enemy couldn't even pull their finger out. Depending on their load out and configuration, six boomers could deliver 384 independently targeted nukes all at once, with precision, and without any real warning.

That's what you'd do if it came down to it.

-- John R. Carroll

***************************************************************************************************************************** John that policy (MAD, mutually assured destruction) worked with the USSR during the Cold War. Both sides in the Cold War had leaders that were SANE. I can think of at least TWO or more countries that have leadership that may be insane. Pakistan currently has Muslim leaders that are friendly towards the USA to some extent. But they might be taken over by Radical Islamists at anytime. Iran and N. Korea are going to have Nuclear weapons soon and the delivery systems to deliver them several hundred miles already. In the scenario in the story in OSA the missiles were launched from freighters at Sea. A MAD policy would not deter an insane leader that really believes in Martyrdom for killing infidels.

DL

Earth Abides by George Stewart would be a good idea of the post apocalyptic world. Also a good read.

I've read "Earth Abides." I thought it was pretty good although it has some serious technical inaccuracies, such as gasoline that is good after 10 years in storage and a grid that stays functional after months of no control or maintenance.

Still, it's a good read.

I always loved those kind of books, sorta like a cowboys and indians western set in near time. Added it to my amazon order.

Wes

-- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

I've listened to the first four audio files and I think that it's a pretty good book so far.

Everybody want Heavan, Nobody want dead.

It sounds to me that having a spare car that uses points in the distributor would be a good idea. Maybe an aircooled VW bus. It gets good mileage and can haul a lot of stuff.

We were using transistors on planes for 10 years before the above ground test treaty. SSI integrated circuits were used for a couple of years before.

During that time we dropped plenty of bombs in aerial tests. We also tested nuclear AA missiles.

Not to mention that every underground test has been surrounded by electronics.

Nothing unexpected is going to happen. Nothing at all will happen to any equipment that is not near the blast, or to any miltary hardware designed for EMP hardness unless it's damn close to the blast.

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Suggest you do a little more reading before being so certain that it's not a significant threat. EMP is not a wide area effect from surface or atmospheric detonations - its only detonations above the the atmoshere, say 300 or 400 kilometer altitude do you get the effect as described in the book. Google "Starfish Prime" if you want to read of the only test (1962) the US did that meets that criteria. Definite effects even in that minimum silicon era.

Leatherneck

LOL Yeah, that one was the "Hey - Hold My Beer" moment to end them all.

Learn something new every day - thanks.

That's the way it goes. When you have expensive equipment - the equipment blows to protect the fuse.

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!