OT---Blending waste and heating oil for use in a boiler

Tony wrote in article ...

Excellent post....and excellent points!

I think you just joined me on Harold's shit list with your "smart-assed" commentary that runs contrary to what he believes to be true.......

Welcome to the club!!!! We're going to have a network meeting to discuss our secret handshake.

You, apparently, just don't understand exactly how smart he actually is........

........and how he will overcome every problem ever confronted when other, more experienced fuel oil and heating technicians and engineers attempted to do what he is ATTEMPTING to do.......

......and you, me, or others pointing this out when he has ONLY asked for "comments" has him - in his mind - "justifiably" pissed off.

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Well lets just say if it was practical to blend waste oil in #2 oil for use in residential burners, local oil dealers would have figured it out a long time ago. They could get all the free waste oil they wanted, even from their own tanker truck oil changes, blend it, and resell it for a nice profit. But it won't work, so they don't do it.

Waste oil will work in waste oil furnaces designed for that purpose. But even then its a high maintainence proposition. I have one friend/auto mechanic who has a waste oil furnace and uses #2 most of the time.

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Tony

Tony wrote in article ...

That's the point I was trying to get across when I suggested that someone - SOMEONE - would have already come up with a scheme to sell to the unwitting consumer that involved "re-cycling" the neighborhood waste oil through "....YOUR OWN FURNACE!!!"

Many years ago - when I was a kid - there were two strong markets for waste oil in the Northeast - greenhouses and re-refiners. I had a friend who was in the business of picking up waste oil and re-selling it to the above two outlets.

There used to be a re-refiner behind the big Grossman's store in Braintree, Mass., and rose growers Pierce Brothers would buy just about all you could provide for their greenhouses in the Belmont, Mass. (IIRC) area.

Next thing you know, EPA and "Big Brother" stepped in, declared waste oil "hazardous", and, virtually overnight, put several floral greenhouses - including Pierce Brothers - and a handful of waste oil recyclers out of business with various licenses and handling requirements.

The re-refining plant in Braintree also closed.

There had been no problems whatsoever, yet "BB" decided to step up and make sure there were no problems......???

You actually need to generate a LOT of waste oil to make burning waste oil cost-efficient.

I know truck fleets, repair shops, and service stations that have legitimate waste oil burners. They do, however, generate a LOT of waste oil.

I'm beginning to wonder if the OP isn't simply trying to skirt disposal costs/issues by burning it off.......

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Most of the auto stores will take used oil, and my local waste disposal site also has a recycling center that takes used oil, batteries, scrap metal, newspapers, glass, and plastic.

I really only know Harold from what I read here on RCM. But he seems pretty intelligent to me. I fully expect he knows of recycling. And I believe him when he says he is just trying to figure out a way to reduce his cost of heating. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Dan

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dcaster

No, he won't be on the shit list because he has stated his case clearly, with relevant facts and supporting information, in a neutral fashion.

You, however, come across as a total douchebag.

D
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spamTHISbrp

Hi Bruce,

You don't have to preach to the choir. I retired from an independent Motorola shop :)

It was a few years ago already and the same song was being sung then. Except the replacement radio you needed to buy was the Saber. Have you ever taken a Saber apart? I was always amazed that they ever worked, let alone dependably ;-)

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Leon Fisk

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in article ...

I looked back through the thread, and I see that Tony and I said many of the same things......

I guess my desire to remain anonymous and avoid the SPAM and viruses that are sent by individuals who interpret e-mail addresses makes me a "total douchbag......" in your esteemed opinion.

So be it......ASSHOLE!

Luckily, I don't have to kiss your ass to sleep well tonight or to make a dollar tomorrow, eh?

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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in article ...

Geez!

What a great example of a moderate, reasonable, classy post - chuck full of facts, stating your case clearly, and presented in such a neutral fashion.

I just LOVE it when somebody stoops down into the gutter to tell you *he* thinks *you're* in the gutter....

How, exactly, do you think YOU just came across?

Like a "total douchbag", perhaps?

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Mayhap you'll realize I said you 'came across as a' vs. 'you are a'.

Its like saying 'you sounded angry when you said that'.

Your replies, however, indicate that you don't just sound like a douchebag...

D
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spamTHISbrp

A *clean* burning pot was a waste. The main reason for using smuge pots was to put heavy, ground hugging, smoke into the atmosphere. This could, depending on the weather, dramatically reduce radiant heat loss, thus saving your citrus from freezing. The heat from the pots was considered a minor benefit.

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igenr82

I repaired my share of Twin-V and Pre-Prog. Anyone that thinks it has nothing to do with metal working has never seen either of these beasts.

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Michael A. Terrell

My last Motorola is a VHF MoTran Dual-Receiver Deck - 10 points if you know who those were custom built for... It's out in the shed, and still works AFAIK.

I'm keeping it if I ever want to put it in my 61 Corvair. The vintage matches (it looked stupid with a 'modern' Wilson 16-channel VHF hung under the cold-cathode Delco AM radio) and the power consumption is low enough for it to work.

That one was an upgrade from a MoTrac tube hybrid, and before that one of their really old one-piece jobbies - had a simple control head with the switches on the side, but the deck had plugs where the knobs could be mounted on the face... Solid Cast Iron.

Used to be you could count on 20 to 30 years of service, and then someone did a Repeater Conversion and stuck it on top of a mountain for another 20 - Now they're obsolete or dead and not repairable inside of 5.

Okay, this side OT offshoot of the main OT has gone far enough. Now what was the question again?... ;-P

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Bruce L. Bergman

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in article ...

I never said "you are a douchebag".......

....but I WILL call you a TROLL!

Get a life!

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My Motorola experience went from Twin V straight to Micor with only a few random radios in between. The state of Ohio had some dual receive GE VHF radios, but I don't remember any from Motorola. I sold and serviced Pace/Landmaster starting with their first synthesized radios, and a friend sold used Motorola. I would stop by and help him whenever he got behind on repairs.

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Michael A. Terrell

Gosh, if the $1.50 nozzle gets scrapped after a couple of hundred gallons of free waste oil is substituted for $3.00 a gallon diesel, that sounds to me like a great deal.

Besides how much precision do you get for a $1.50 anyway?

If the pump suffers, I betcha Harold might kinow a thing or two about overhauling a stinking oil pump. And after he is done it will probably work better than it did from the factory.

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Roger Shoaf

Nope. I would bet he takes a swipe at you because he thinks you are deserving of the swipe.

I suspect he doesn't suffer fools very well.

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Roger Shoaf

Roger Shoaf wrote in article ...

I'll bet you've never even seen the inside of a vane-type oil burner pump.

Once the housing is all scored by abrasives going through, it's cheaper to replace the pump.......and THAT ain't necessarily cheap!

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I've seen the innards of one. What's supposed to be so hard about fixing it?

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B.B.

well nozzles cost a bit more than $1.50, but that's not the point. They are precision atomizers, much more than a piece of bar stock with a hole in the middle as you might imagine. They create the spray angle, spray pattern, and meter the fuel. There are thousands of nozzles , each one designed for a specific burner/boiler combo, as the spray pattern must fit the combustion chamber. If you think its a simple task to atomize fuel oil into 50 micron droplets think again.

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Here is another good link if your really curious about how critical nozzles and quality fuel are, and then see if you think running waste oil is a good idea.

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Is Harold going to rebuild his fuel pump? I doubt it. Where is he going to get spare parts, they are not commonly available. He seems to know not that much about his oil burner at all. How is the pump setup? Whats a 2 pipe system vs. a one pipe system. Is the bypass plug installed, and where is it.? What's a "A" pump vs. a "B" pump vs. a "J" pump? Does he even have pressure & vacuum gauges? Has he ever changed the pump strainer before? Does he have a bench where he can test the pump under load to see if it's performing? How will he check the pump cutoff valve? What does that even do?

If you can't anwser those questions you'll have difficulty rebuilding a pump, not mention even replacing one.

Pump failure aside, the bigger problem will be burner shutdown due to hight vacuum at the pump.

Tony

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Tony

Waste oil leaves a lot of ash to clean out. We get a five gallon pail full every month out of the chamber of the one at the garage I'm working at.

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Steve Austin

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