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That would make sense as an argument if the US seemed reading and willing to invade any country to prevent abuses to that country's citizens. Then Iraq would be just one example of a general policy.

But the USA, like most countries, has been generally unwilling to interfere militarily in other countries unless something really nasty has been going on for a long time. Afghanistan was a special case, because the USA was attacked by an organization based there, that was aided by the then Afghan government. Much of the rest of the world thought that was justified, and helped out in various ways.

But Iraq? What is it about Iraq that makes it in need of invasion, compared to Iran, or Saudi Arabia (where most of the hijackers and a lot of their support came from)? A lot of the world doesn't see Iraq as justified, and there's some reason for that. I would have expected you of all people to be skeptical of the current administration's propaganda.

Dave

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Dave Martindale
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Define propaganda.

I as well as many others feel that Iraq was involved in 9-11, and as the earlier war with Iraq was put on hold, with a cease fire, the terms of which were repeatedly violated. UN 1441 gave justification and a blessing to the taking up the war again and bringing the matter to a rather late, but final conclusion.

One should note..that this action was approved and accepted by the majority of the Democrats and Republicans both. Odd how the Democrats whom most loudly spoke for going back into Iraq, now gloss over their part in this, all the while attempting to demonize the current administration.

Websearch on Bill Clintons 1998 State of the Union address and read what he had to say about Iraq, and WMD.

This may be of some interest to you.....

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Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

Feel? FEEL? Who the hell cares what you feel? Doesn't matter if I *feel* it was or wasn't necessary. What do the facts say? Have you been watching CNN recently? Confused?

Regards,

Robin

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Robin S.

It all makes sense now, you watch CNN! No wonder you're so screwed up!

JTMcC.

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JTMcC

Watch Faux News! No confusion there. It's all so clear.....

Reply to
ATP

This country is not on some mission to rid the world of "evildoers". Striking back at Afghanistan made sense, unfortunately the neocons quickly forgot about getting Bin Laden and squandered our goodwill and resources in the Iraq quagmire on false pretenses. When it became obvious the original grounds for war were bogus, we started to hear about "liberating Iraq". Who the hell wants their son or brother to die to "liberate Iraq"? Let the Iraqis liberate Iraq!

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ATP

You are definitely an authority on propaganda seeing as how you are so susceptible to so much of it. :-)

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Glenn Ashmore

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So..drink yourself into a stupor again last night?

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

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Now there is a hotbed of conservative spin..hey?

Snicker...

I love watching you guys...denial is not a river in Egypt..but you keep spewing like it was...

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

Sorry..the Iraqis only kill each other off in job lots, or run each other through tree shredders, or rape each others kids. Seems like the US has been put into the position of the worlds peacekeeper, unfortunately..and we have to start somewhere. Too bad all you Chamberlainisq Neo-lib whiners fail to recall history..and given history, would doom us all to repeat it.

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

Odd...I would make the same comment about you.

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

This was mildly amusing the first ten times.

Now it's simply tiresome. Ya *gotta* get some new material!

Jim

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jim rozen

Still fits though.

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

OK but there's a lot of other snappy comebacks out there, you need to swap them around a bit. Keeps the audience on their toes.

Did that hardinge manual show up yet?

Jim

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jim rozen

Try reading something that isn't published by Rupert Murdoch or Sun Myung Moon (Insight magazine). You really don't know anything about history.

Reply to
ATP

Do you think the New York Post is a liberal newspaper? The Post is a pro-Likud sensationalist reactionary rag. Try again.

Reply to
ATP

You know so little about me..but that you can make such a statement, indicates you have mystical and awesome powers, or are incredibly stupid and in full denial.

Which is it?

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

???? Nope..sure didnt, now that you mention it.

I scanned a Sunnen Hone manual yesterday, if anyone needs a copy in electronic form. Im doing a PDF file over the weekend.

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

So..does that mean you are an anti-semite as well? It would appear so, if you mention the Likud in such a context.

How do you get out of bed every morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and not slit your wrists?

Gunner

"The Democratic Party is the party of this popular corruption. The heart of the Democratic Party and its activist core is made up of government unions, government dependent professions (teachers, social workers, civil servants); special interest and special benefits groups (abortion rights, is a good example) that feed off the government trough; and ethnic constituencies, African Americans being the most prominent, who are disproportionately invested in government jobs and in programs that government provides.

" The Democratic Party credo is 'Take as much of the people's money as politically feasible, and use that money to buy as many of the people's votes as possible'. Tax cuts are a threat to this Democratic agenda. Consequently, Democrats loathe and despise them." -Semi-reformed Leftist David Horowitz

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Gunner

LOL.

Say, shouldn't that be *William* Munney?

Jim

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jim rozen

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