Saving on fuel

Yep. Many farms do. BUT the rules for farm tanks in an ag zone are different then the fuel storage rules for a commercial property. That is what gets people in trouble. I know in NY now they are getting VERY particular about all the things related to fuel and storage of it. Lot's of fines for tanks that were legal just a couple years ago.

HMM, Somewhere in cyberspace is the rest of that comment. That should have read:

The DIY approach of hauling in you're own fuel for on-site storage without the proper tanks and permits can be very hazardous to your wallet. Most state and "federal law prohibits it"

Yeah this state is getting to be VERY interesting.

Be cautious about selling vehicle parts. Not sure what the laws there are but in NY you can get hit for not being a registered vehicle dismantler if you buy a vehicle and then part it out without registering it in your name first.

There was a news item a couple months ago about someone down toward the southern tier being hit with this because he was stripping cars for scrap, but selling off the good parts online. He got hit with a fine plus something to do with selling across state lines without authority.

Even for a 100 gallon tank on wheels?

Scary, and certainly, I do not want to risk that sort of thing.

You can only carry 120 gallons in a non-frame-mounted tank - and each frame mounted tank is limitted to 120 gallons -or something like that. Non-Frame-Mounted tanks are considered payload - frame mounted tanks are considered operational fuel.

So something like a 500 gal tank mounted to the frame behind the cab on a LWB truck in addition to the regular saddle tanks would be good to go?

Yes, those tanks that are carrying fuel used by the semi, are exempted.

I can do five per year without a license.

Then keep your diesel and gas in milk jugs.

Gunner

What..you sit around eating borscht and drinking vodka and singing the International?

Nope - 9 100 gallon tanks would be a sefer bet - but you ARE limitted to a maximum of something like 400 gallons total - and less in some states/provinces. In any case, there is a maximum size for any single tank - I believe it is 100 gallons Canadian - 120 US, os something like 440 liters.

You can only legally use the cubes for diesel. 100 gallons is not that much, where are you going to get a discount of more than a few cents per gallon on road legal diesel?

"Ignoramus21219" wrote in message

Construction companies have their heavy equipment refuelled on-site. That's one of the reasons why they line it up neatly at the end of the day.

In this area most also own the fuel truck. Plus many use off road diesel. NOT something you want in a road truck.

Back when the original change was made from road fuel having the dye to off road being dyed there were a LOT of folks (myself included) who went through the complete fuel system to eliminate all of the dye (which is more than just a color, there are a couple additives that make it VERY easy to trace off road fuel use, one being a UV additive that fluoresces and another being a chemical tag that shows up with a dip stick test)

You want to be REAL careful if you have both fuels stored at a location. It takes less than 1 quart of off road fuel to screw up 100 gallons of road fuel.

On 10/29/2012 12:16 PM, Steve W. wrote: ...

My take--"nonsense"

While it might be possible to chemically detect, certainly any enforcement will first simply be a sight check of color in the fuel tank and it'll take a heckuva a lot more than that to be colored enough to be visible.

And, certainly, if there is only a trace and a reasonable explanation of what the reason for that is there will be no penalty enforced even if somehow it were ever questioned.

Other than the dye, there's no difference in fuel characteristics.

If you register properly (in many jurisdictions) you can buy tax free road fuel that is not marked. You need to keep precise records of what fuel goes where to pay the government the proper taxes.

In some states/provinces it works the other way - you pay tax on everything and get a refund for what you have carefully recorded as off-road use.

The die has tracers that can detect if there HAS BEEN off-road fuel in the tank recently - not sure if there is a test strip to test with, or if it is a lab job - but they can charge you for running untaxed fuel even if your tank is refilled with taxed fuel. Just checked - apparently test strips can detect as little as 0 .3% untaxed fuel in a tank.

I have SEEN the demonstration and done the test myself. The chemicals used disperse out and react with the fuel itself. That creates a chemical that is easily detectable. The UV additive also is VERY easy to spot, a small flashlight with UV output is all that is needed.

As for the penalty. Using untaxed fuel in a road truck will get you a nice visit with the states and feds. They automatically assume you have been using illegal fuel ALL the time. That nets you a fine based on the amount of fuel you have, how it is stored and a few other items.

Current fine amounts in Illinois:

What are the violations for not properly using dyed diesel?

Knowingly selling or attempting to sell dyed diesel fuel for highway use: First Offense: $1,000 fine Class A misdemeanor. Second or Subsequent Offense: $5,000 fine Class 4 felony. Knowingly sell, store, or transport dyed diesel fuel without the required notices: First Offense: $500 fine Second or Subsequent Offense: $1,000 fine Having dyed diesel in the fuel tanks attached to a motor vehicle required to be registered for highway purposes: First Offense: $1,000 fine, Class A misdemeanor Second or Subsequent Offense: $5,000 Class 4 felony Knowingly selling or attempting to sell dyed diesel fuel for highway use or for use in a recreational-type watercraft: First Offense: $1,000 fine Class 4 felony. Second or Subsequent Offense: $5,000 fine Class 2 felony. Knowingly possessing dyed diesel for use in recreational-type watercraft: First Offense: $1,000 fine Class A misdemeanor Second or Subsequent Offense: $5,000 Class 2 felony