JC, TRA and the future of rocketry

I have always felt welcome. It is the motors I would bring that have felt both sides of the issue.

Because the liability waiver for the club frees its insurance as well. If they aren't responsible, then why do they have/need insurance in the first place?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Waivers I've got for NIRA launches have always had conditions on the back:

• Phone various FAA offices before and after the event

• have fire extinguisher and first aid kit on site

• follow the NAR safety code (except for once when they told me to follow the TRA safety code! I called back and they sent out a corrected version.)

I'd have to go look at some of them to see what else they ask for, but every now and then there's something new or different. Maybe they've added a rule that I kick Jerry Irvine off the site if he shows up :-)

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

When hell freezes over...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

What is the cato rate of EX motors vs premanufactured certified motors? I have to admit based on one EX launch I've attended the day after we met that things were safer than I expected. But still, cato rates were higher. Watching things like the motor making I saw in "the Rocket Challenge" with virtually NO safety equipment of any kind scares the $h!t out of me. Sure, it's OK 99 times out of 100, and you get away with it. but if you play russian roulette long enough you are going to have a "negative outcome" eventually.

Ask Jim Flis how many rocket motors he made safely before his accident...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Not just TRA members. Due to reciprocal agreements NAR and CAR members were/are also at risk. I've definitely flown motors that had not been tested at the time I flew them as a result of TRA TMT certification fraud. If nothing else, every AT consumer reload flown at NARAM-34 was a result of this fraud. Every D24 flown before 2001. And until TRA TMT comes clean, we'll never be sure what else. John Cato could deduce much of it.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Bu!! $h!t!!!!

I've been told things by the TRA president, that I now know were an outright LIE. No one should EVER trust ANYTHNG from TRA without proof in writing.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Exactly. Maybe they have non-insurance insurance? :)

Jerry

If you have reasonable offset distances and non-fragmenting cases, it literally should not matter if either class of motor has ANY failures. What's the difference safety wise between 1 and 5 motor failures out of a hundred rockets? Not much.

Which were based on your application.

Apply for a waiver for a STEEL rocket launch from downtown Chicago to some minimal altitude. It will get granted.

Jerry

Do we still have to kick you?

Because unlike AT, Jerry would lack the LEMP and DOT approvals. But Jerry could still get the manufacturer to submit them, just as other "outsourced" motor vendors have done.

box, > he would

Which president, the current one, your old lover BK, or brother Rogers?? (;-) I know, that's not funny, but I could not resist. I'll redeem myself, "one down two to go", it's just a slow process.

Fred

I published my LEMP. The one I got JUST to satisfy them and they rejected it.

The ATF does not require LEMP.

I published one of my DOT approvals. I even transferred it to my control so they could not say it was not "mine" and they still rejected it.

Here's proof:

Tried that too. Rejected.

What is the safe distance during the manufacture of a "P" motor?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I know, that's

it's just a slow

The ones I've met in person. Rogers and Kelly. Have yet to meet Embry face to face.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Somebody posted thier composit club motor success rates here a week or two ago. Thier certified motor failure rate was several times higher than thier EX motor failure rate. This is only anecdotal, and it leads me to to beleive that thier EX motor making skills are exceptionaly good.

It was Pat G of potrocs

And that mix kit bates motors are basic.

No. Don't.

Here's proof: