I am curious. Does that excuse evaporate after 1 month? 6? 12? 24? 48?
96?
Ever?
Hmmm?
Jerry
"Don't let the bastards wear you down Jerry!"
- Tom Cloud
"I know of NO (for profit) magazine that ALREADY had its 'subscriber base' established BEFORE it ever printed its first issue - which was EXACTLY the 'gift' given Mr. Kelly at LDRS 11. And then one wonders why Kelly has made mention in the (recent) past that the magazine was losing money and he might just 'give it back'? Does anybody besides myself wonder at the hypocrisy of 'giving back' something that was stolen?"
Just how much money has he taken from TRA members for magazines that were not delivered over the past decade? It's got to beat the Jerry Irvine Great T-shirt Fiasco of 1997... Perhaps every year!
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
Or do you mean to imply only that that proof has not been presented to a judge?
Except the I'm looking for proof in the quality that would be presented to a judge. If I & others saw it in that format, I don't see how BK could be permitted to remain in TRA.
Very few people present such proof onto rmr for a reason. For one thing it discloses the case to the other side and lawyers like nothing better than surprise or delaying to the very last moment required disclosures.
That's part of lawyering that really annoys me and seems to contrubute to many weaknesses in the system.
What is strange about YOUR statement, is that you HAVE seen it in a form that SHOULD be convincing to you. BK has been censured by the TRA BOD for magazine irregularities and those irregularities have contunued.
Past transgressions have not been "fully compensated" only "forgivin on behalf of non-consenting participants".
To me there is no need for third party effort or evidence to convince me there is a problem, Kelly and the BOD are liable and the scope of the problem exceeds $400,000.
The only piece missing is retribution and legally enforced punishment or conmpensation.
I have repeatedly suggested BK and TRA buck it up, hand over the publishing to a willing person (as was done with Bruce in 1990 over the objections of at least two other willing publishers with experience) and have TRA BOD make admissions and reparations.
Since I REFUNDED almost $4000, and the cumulative missing issues of HPR magazine are now well over $400,000, I would say Bruce is more nearly infinitely worse.
Not disagreeing with you either, but sometimes appearances are what matters. I'd like to take out a subscription to HPR, but I'm a bit nervous about it considering the reputation for non-delivery.
What would you like for proof. Every one on RMR who subscribed and didn't get what they paid for chime in? The TRA meetings from the past couple years address the issue and are clear as to what HPR is expected to do. Ye they keep failing to do so. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME. Fool me 10 times, Hi Bruce :-(
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
I stopped subscribing a few months ago. At that point, there were some interesting atricles but, very few pages & it's the size of a comic book. That clown (BK) needs to do better than a comic book size & have more content for me to consider subscribing. If it was at least on par with ER, I might be willing to forget he's an ass.
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