Ray, For months I thought I could stay out of this crap. Maybe it's the time of year that got to me, but enough is enough. Ray, I don't even like Jerry, or much of anything he does, but you know what. I have been to some of his FEST launches where I personally have counted 600 plus people in attendance, which is more people than several LDRS meets have had, and more even than the one gong on right now, So now you f**king moron, call ME a liar. And for the record, I made copies on the hotel copier of an FAA wavier Jerry had at a FEST launch, to use as an exapmle for my local FAA office when I was gong to hold a launch of my own, so I know he did have at least one wavier that was valid, so now all you other nay sayers can call me a liar too. And you know what else Ray, I live in a country where no matter what the outward evidence to the contrary, a person, no matter what kind of scum bag they are, are innocent until proven guilty, NOT guilty until proven innocent, and yet you, and many others, with your holier than thou, Lord over the people attitude, hate Jerry with such passion that you want him to prove his innocense ( which he may or may not be able to do in all cases ) and yet you will turn a blind eye to the activities of some of your friends which are just as detremental to the hobby as his. You say you are providing a counter view to "protect" the new commers to the hobby. BULLS**T Ray. You use the oportunities to dig at Jerry. You are providing your own interpatation, nothing more, nothing less, and showing your hatrated for a man. Ray do not even attemt to say you don't hate Jerry, your actions and those of others are proof that you do. What would you say if Bruce Kelly was hammered all the time to prove his innocense? There are people who hate him, and you take excetion with them. It's hate pure and simple Ray, not to mention uncivil ( and un-American ) to do this. You defend wrong doing on one hand, and shout at the top of your lungs about Jerry's wrong doings on the other. What a two faced person you are Ray. And don't bother trying to retract what you said, or rewrite it, or say that's not what you ment because Ray, you proved even to me today, just what type of person you REALLY are. I did my time Ray, long ago, in South East Asia to defend your right to your opinion, but this time Ray, take it from someone who knows some of the truth and believes in the American way of life, SHUT THE F**K UP!