NAR or TRA?

Is that why you labeled a two hundred pound shipment of rocket motors, as "model aircraft parts"?

I delivered. HPR magazine did not.

You "promised" $5000 and "delivered" $1200.

Results are the ultimate judge.

Jerry

You've said that before - now tell us the real reason.

The comment wasn't about delivering was about your own quote of ethics... and as ya like to say jerry...

Point........ to Dave

That's just wrong, in my opinion. But then, there are a few folks (thank goodness VERY few) who think that kids don't belong at high power launchs. Period. I very much disagree with that!

-Kevin

Shockie,

Thank you for clearing that up. However when I confronted you about this very same thing on the NAR Sections list you pretty much immediately stopped posting and never provided this info.

I am looking at your comments from the prospective of a NAR section president myself. Quite frankly I am puzzled. But I guess - whatever.

I am not sure it does. However your comments (in my opinion) question why you would even be a part of NAR, expecially if you really felt that way. They are that extreeme. Perhaps you do not realize this.

Sorry no.

Really... Perhaps you need to review your remarks.

hypocritical?

Because you are doing it on the NAR sections list as a NAR section officer? I think you get a big DUH on that one. Sorry.

Only if your name is John Kerry :-)

Taking your comments into account I find this train of thought bizzarre.

Because it is the law? Or reccogonized as the law??

Yep.

Yes but it is not currently the law. Or is it is not recognized as the law.

If you saw what he says in email you would KNOW he does not belong in NAR.

Typical.

Do not attend Balls then.

You crawled out of the woodwork for this?

So you are saying TRA/HPR leaders have more ethics than I?

If so I will be expecting them to jointly and severally personally guarantee each and every refund due every HPR subscriber for the past 14 years.

Jerry

ahh greg when did you confront me about this in the NAR sections list? I shall go back and review your posts ..... shockie B)

oh shut up jerry..... at least I don't go around violating the law....thats more than can obviously be said of you..... and as far as to what I may have said in private email , can people change/evolve their viewpoints over time perhaps? For example, when I first got back into rocketry approximately 2 + years ago, I had a difficult time intially accepting HPR.... I just didn't "get it"... well know I think its cool,so my viewpoint on HPR has changed /evolved over time.....My viewpoints on AR are similarly undergoing changes as we speak..... My viewpoints on YOU have changed over time.....

shockie B)

propellant,

Mark

I am NAR and here was my rationale:

In my reading, TRA seemed a bit more focused toward higher power and EX. However when it all comes down, the two organizations are, IMHO, all but the same.

I chose NAR as I had no real interest in EX,

As a BAR there are two considerations:

1. Do you want to actually manufacture your own motors and fly them at a sanctioned launch? If so TRA is probably what you want.

1. Does the inclusion of a periodic journal in the membership price matter to you? If So, the NAR is a better bet.

Otherwise, you can flip a coin. If you like the sound of the name Tripoli, for your purposes, and considering the above thoughts, that is as good a reason as any.

Remember, you can always change your mind. If you do attain a certification level during your first year, worst case is you will have to re-certify. Heck that's just a good reason to fly a big motor.

greg: Is this the message where you "confronted" me?

If this isn't the correct message where you ":confronted" me please point it out.......

You cannot see that I am making fun of the TAR's position versus the NAR ones?

The only negative remark that I see that I made about the NAR was that they ignore your opinons....

Lets see if I got this straight.... I cannot belong to the NAR because I criticize them on certain issues? And I especially can't criticize the NAR on certain issues on their private listserve? Where should I post my comments? in RMR? They surely aren't going to be answered there now are they?

I thought it was called "multi-tasking".........

Ok I will try to explain it simply for your Greg... See I am a NAR member. I am also a NAR section President. In general I beleive in 90% of what the NAR believes in... I disagree over the other 10%.... The fact that I disagree with the NAR over certain issues, does not mean that I am against the NAR totally or that I will not encourage people to join.....

It isn't the law until its the law........

shockie B)

No you go around alleging everyone else (who actually does stuff) does.

the ONLY "everybody else" that I have alleged is YOU and the ROL auctions..... as far as YOU are concerned, we all know it isn't "alleged" ....as far as ROL goes, thats just my interpretation of laws....I could be wrong.....

And FAI and ... and ... and you know it.

What laws? Be specific.

So what are you saying? A NAR section president is not even a NAR member? How the heck does that work??? That would be insane.

He threatened to have TRA's non-profit status revoked and the corporation dissolved. That's about as harmful as you can get, but I suppose to a TRA-hater such as yourself it must seem like a "good thing".

This had nothing to do with you. To quote the judge, "Sit down and shut up."