Is the TMT made up of the same people as when the ranting started? No. New people. I'd be guessing but they're over 2 TMT chairs away now (Before Sue, right?).
Do I believe the current TMT board will judge the paperwork against the currently documented requirements? Yes I do.
Do I believe people will call that 'exclusion' because bob's friend tom has a cousin who has an EX number from a non-existent company and Uncle Jed has an LEMP and daughter Judy owns a company whos name is being used by a consultant submitting motors in their name under a PO box instead of one of
3 addresses on the different paperwork? Yes, I do.
I'm referring specifically to the re-tooled, re-designed, improved and TOTALLY UNTESTED! AT single use F motors that you were passing out "dealing?" at the latest NAR national launch.
Then why was Jerry getting such a runaround from Sue (who seemed, in general, to be a pretty reasonable person, based on her postings here)? Why would she refuse a submission of _hybrid_ motors (to which the BATFE/DOT "Paperwork" stuff wouldn't even be applicable) with the patently lame excuse that they "wouldn't fit in her car"?
My own suspicion, there, is that she may have felt that she had to "pick her battles", and avoid antagonizing Bruce & Chuck (i.e., by proposing to test anything from Jerry): maybe it was made quite plain to her that she'd best just shut up and _not_ push that point (if she didn't want to ruin her ability to work with those folks at all). [ Note: this is strictly my own conjecture, but it seems to fit the observations better than anything else I've been able to think of... ]
Is there _any_ evidence that any successor would be able and willing to "just say no" to that sort of pressure (and make that position stick), or that such pressure would no longer be applied?
You sure like to keep dodging the key question: whether the "currently documented requirements" are what they should be, or whether they were specifically set up that way as _part_ of the "exclusion games" (which is sure what it looks like to me).
David, I think it may be that the rocket community at large would like to distance itself from Jerry. He's been known by some for shady deals, deals gone bad, and other flim flam type stuff. He's said some terrible things about people of the rocket community. He is being treated like an outcast, an unwanted man. But I think the most potent reason would be the alleged selling of high power rocket motors to a minor via un-labled boxes air mail. The fact that these new attempts to certify his motors has been met with resistance is most likely because the zipper is half opened on his sheeps clothing. For him to certify a motor I would think that all the i's need to be doted and the t's crossed. Jerry is telling them that he has substituted e's for i's like they do in Hawaii and the t's are really only + signs standing on their toes anyway.
Shock wrote: "Once you publish the DOT EX numbers I will personally spend my hard earned money and I will call the DOT and find out their exact position on those EX numbers... "
Well, David, Bob's on this rant about how minor changes make a motor illegal. Not decertify them, that means that one that was tested and somehow looses it's cert. Bob says that if you alter a motor, it is illegal until it is tested/retested. The NFPA states it's up to the certifying agency as to what changes require retesting but Bob is saying even the color of paper! make them illegal. The motors I'm asking Bob about have a new casing and delay assembly.
The reason I do not comment further on it is because it is not instructive or adds to the debate or to speeding up certs. If they have problems with this one that they raise that also apply to the other 50 valid shipping authorizations used in commerce all the time by "somebody", then what is the point of argueing about it?
Send me an email and I will reply to it so you can see for yourself and why I am not posting that detail to rmr. And only because you have respected my privacy in the past.
They are allowed at Pyro-op 2 and 1 operated launches. They are not available for over the counter sale. The Gates Bros found that there was no way to comply with the law to the letter (as I have repeatedly said) and still sell HPR in CA (they have even more resources than me too), so that should tell you something.
During the time of the permit I already posted I sold then TRA uncertified (still on the NAR joint list) motors to consumers in CA.
Only at Pyro-op 2 or 1 launches. No offsite sales. The other 49 states and 140 countries are legal for end user take away delivery however.
Motors come from primarily other locations thank goodness. The concept of PRK is real and TRA and NAR have not only made no progress in fixing that, but have made it worse in recent years. So much so even the "Gates Bros" of all people gave up in frustration.
That makes state law directly detrimental to commerce.
Including my commerce. Which pleases TRA no end. Scorched earth.
I never thought of it that way, but with all the cites I have posted and the testimony from myself and supporting witnesses, and the almost total lack of facts from the other side or even supporting testimony, there is a clear answer to this one.
This is years gone by. Sue is no long TMT. You are misled by the fuddlespeak. Look at the TMT page and contact those persons. I've never said "they didn't screw or attempt to screw someone over before". I'm saying "what's stopping you today"? Not wanting to try because they were boohoo mean to me before?
Well, people keep griping about things not changing and here B isn't """on""" the board and there are different people running TMT. What is the criteria for change? Whole board replaced with people no one has ever heard about before? Won't those have to rely on old board members for functions and thus be "under the influence"?
No, I've answered that question. I believe there should be no motor testing but motor monitoring. Manufacturers wanting the little sticker must post batch results to a web page and that is independently (motors purchased, not sent to) verified by the board. Every stinking batch gets tested and I don't care who made what as long as no on is fibbing about test results. If the motor doesn't have a printed batch id, no cert. If I hold in my little hand a motor with a batch number not on the web,... bye bye. But then there's this 1125 that's passing into law in many states.
So if the "feeling" is TRA is excluding a third party (dealer?) because they have no documentation as to their relationship with the manufacturer, why don't they certify through NAR? I have no problem with a club from setting a rule that someone must be responsible for the motor if nothing more than to call and say "you're decertified".
The new board members have and learned the likelihood of meaningful progress is near zero.
I posted a post with links to the documents that were properly submitted and rejected. Has policy changed to accept those so it is worth getting them reinstated today? I thought not.
With all due respect we have seen the precise same outcome in 3-4 TMT chairs, so when I see evidence this one is any different I will cheerfully work with him. Not like he has sent me an email after this HUGE thread on rmr and whatever leakage it has caused on the TRA listserv. One email? Nope. I certainly do not have his. I am not a member, remember?
She did leave in disghust just like Cato. She was just not also removed from TRA. But she has also been silent and that is TRA compatible to the extreme.
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