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Nope. They rent a room and print books.

But the states that have adopted NFPA-1125 might :)

A statement without proof.

And the law gives the ATF power to interpret the regs, and to enforce their interpretation of the regs. By law, the only way to change their policy (interpretation and/or enforcement) is by taking them to court, as TRA has done.

Also, that statement from ATF proves that you lie when you say that ATF does not require LEMPs for rocket motor manufacturers.

You posted no such proof. All you did was repeat your quote of Rick's opinion. Rick is not ATF.

As you know, TRA cannot renew certs on motors that do not meet current cert standards.

You're confusing test data with test results. The results are that the motors passed. Just like getting a degree from college, the proof of the degree is the diploma. You don't have to show employers every paper you ever wrote to get that degree.

You do not KNOW that, and it is not a fact. It's conjecture and opinion. Also, you were only present at a few TMT tests during the start of the testing program back in the late 80's or thereabout.

Huh?

Why are you MOTIVATED to discourage manufacturers from enjoying the last few remaining rights they do have?

That's NOT what the rules say.

I've requested the missing data be posted by NAR S&T. I'll let you know what response I get.

Now, can you ask TMT to post all the missing delay data for all their certified motors?

Consistently bad? Consistently evasive? Occasionally fraudulent? Great characteristics for a testing agency.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Dear Newbies: This is a classic example of Ray's unsubtantiated claims. He has no proof to back it up, yet he states it as if it were fact. He hopes that by repeating this kind of stuff over and over, he can occasionally sucker some poor newbie into accepting it at face value...

Ray posts as much pro TRA BA as Jerry does anti-TRA. It's time Ray takes off his blinders and see what is really going on.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

PROVE IT! Show me the delay test data.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

If I did, then would you pay off the fraud judgment?

After a usr "firestarter" K motor blew up on the test stand, destroying it, jerry stopped showing up.

jerry, ARE YOU STUPID, or just pretending to be STUPID?

Ray, I'm getting nearly as tired of seeing Jerry repost my words as you are. However, if you read my words, you'll see that I never claimed to be ATF. And, in the oft-reposted quote, the only opinion that I expressed was that the judge's ruling on the law, and the law itself, should be taken at face value. The rest of my post (that Jerry constantly quotes) was just me making a series of quotes from the actual law, itself, and putting those quotes into context.

I'm not a lawyer, and I am, therefore, both unwilling and unable to lawfully render legal opinions. I do not, and I will not, engage in the unlawful practice of law without a license. I am strictly a non-professional at this point, although I have had several college classes on the law, have taken the Law School Admission Test (93rd percentile, if I recall correctly), and am planning to attend law school as soon as I have finished my undergraduate degree.

I have repeatedly emphasized the fact that I am not a lawyer, and am pleased to note that Jerry has kept that portion of my post intact as part of his "quote". However, while I'm not a lawyer, I'm not illiterate, either, and I am quite capable of reading carefully, and deriving precise meaning from the written words of others.

So, while I am unwilling to render professional legal advice or opinions, I am willing, however, to read the text of the actual laws and regulations "on the books", and to read the written opinions of judges who have ruled on matters of law. And, I'm willing to offer the non-professional opinion that maybe we couldn't go too far wrong by taking what the judge says and taking what the law says both literally, and at face value.

- Rick "IANAL" Dickinson

Bob, what makes you think Ray personally has such data?

Shouldn't You be asking TMT for that type of data?

everyone on rmr loves you Jerry!!!

I'm sorry Bob but I don't see a problem with TMT only doing Pass/Fail on them. Paul did say that if they test something that is a G or lower they pass the info on to NAR S&T so they can look at it for contest purposes.

I don't know about way back before Cato but I don't think there have been any problems recently.

Why do you have a problem with delays being tested pass/fail? If a motor fails, obviously, it won't make it to the certified list.

Bob - an unbiased observer would say the truth is somewhere in between the two opposing opinions. ;-)

Being on the list is the proof. If it didn't pass, it doesn't make the list.

When is Jerry going to pay for that?