sport rocketry

Double standard. But fly a gasoline ejecting G powered EX/am rocket 500 feet from where a NAR range closed down 2 hours earlier and went away, get booted. Despite the manufacturer EXEMPTION.

Just Jerry

Pick your poison? Sample both poisons?

Actually, its quite different. Yes, I, and Alan, and probably a few other folks got shafted in a contest, and as a result didn't get some trophies we should have won. But this was at the worst managed NARAM in the history of the organization. None of us, be they folks who flew with booster motors, folks who launched their models while 2' away from them, or even the folks that changed the rules 2 days later, or any one else involved in the NARAM-22 screw-ups got kicked out of the NAR. It was never even considered.

Quite a different environment from a club that kicks you out not for what you do that may be wrong, but for what you SAY tht they don't like.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Yes it was quite different. I nearly kicked the NAR out of my life and departed NARAM-22 post haste. Lucky for them I had a teammate I did not want to bail out on.

Alan

More likely the NAR would have imposed some other punitive measure that did not deprive the NAR of revinue or members. But the net effect of the NARAM-22 screw ups was to award tne NAR National Team Champoinship to Gassaway, who was a G motor enthusiast.

Alan

How phunnie is it that a fellow like Gasaholic would benefit from a world record NAR screw-up.

And as for being a G motor enthusiast, you could hardly tell when the issue was raised for consideration initially.

Jerry

Come on Jerry, this is not about GG. GG was in no way responsible for the NARAM-22 debacle. He just did his usual competitive effort and that was enough.

Again, this is not about GG. I probably should not have labled GG an early G motor enthusiast. History speakes for itself, and the history of HPR and LMR "early adopters" is not an issue today.

No he benefited from it. He was on the board. In effect he had a hand in his own illegitimate rise to power (sic).

Jerry

The evolution of rules is directly linked to it because those folks had proosals if implemented would have grown rocketry while avoiding all the police state stuff.

What board? How do you claim he had a hand in the unfair rulings or poor administration of NARAM-22? He certainly had a legitimate hand in his own modeling and NAR competition success.

Alan

He wasn't on the BOT back around NARAM-22 timeframe. None of the stupid contest ruligs of NARAM-22 had ANYTHING to do with the BOT, although they DID quite a bit to do with the Contest Board chairman of the day. Who happens to be the current NAR Prez...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

:O)

As I have also said many times.

But the net effect of the NARAM-22 screw ups was to award tne NAR National Team Champoinship to Gassaway, who was a G motor enthusiast.

I did not give up. My Hawkeye Team was a one season only deal competing with teammate Dave Cook, while he was a grad student in Ames, Iowa, and I was a recent graduate working in St. Louis. I continued to compete after that in a new team with Bob Kaplow, but the Hawkeye Team was history. I concede that if Hawkeye Team had truely been Champion caliber, we would have overcome the judging obstacles of NARAM-22. As it was, we had won four regional contests hosted by four midwest sections in four states, and we still trailed your team in total points going into NARAM-22. We actualy drove all the way to Medina, Ohio, hoping to compete head to head with your team and take points away from you, but you did not compete there. We just thought we were the best that one and only year. It was a bitter pill to swallow, knowing that we would have won the National Team Championship, except for some judging that the judges later admitted was wrong. However, niether of us quit competition as a result of NARAM-22. I think we were just too heavily invested and enjoyed it so much that we continued to compete in a flawed system.

No. Oh sure, I hope to get back to NARAM some year, and I may even fly something, but to actualy compete, I'd have to team up with some young talent to carry the load.

Alan

why and what did they DQ your A10-0 booster in super roc for ? why the silly decision ? on what grounds ?

Art

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For using a booster motor in a single stage rocket. It was legal on Tuesday(?) when it went through safety check, then illegal on Thursday. Claimed that such use was "contrary to manufactures intended purpose" Protests and counter protests.

In the aftermath, they made 3 changes to the stupidroc rules, forever screwing up the event, and NOT addressing the booster motor issue at all!

BTW, at the time there was another event, Drag Race that REQUIRED you to use a booster motor to power a single stage rocket! And of course the manufacturer had at least single stage rockets that used booster motors too: the flying saucer (Centuri paper one is long gone, but the Estes one is now sold as the Snitch).

Pure hypocracy on the part of the folks running the contest and the contest board.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

There is no acceptable answer to your question. Presumably they were horrified at the technological surprise of 21 Ft. StupidRocs, and with their brains fried by the August sun, they put an end to the madness by insanely rewriting the rules and DQing retroactively. The odd thing is that it was protested and Bunny, as National Contest Board Chairman, essentialy had the last word. At a NIRA(?) regional just before NARAM-22 where Bunny was present, I flew an 11(?) Ft. SR on an A10-0t with an exteranaly flown streamer, and that won without a question or protest. This would seem to set the pressident, at least with Bunny, on what is allowed in SR, and yet at NARAM-22, even after contest flights had been made, they essentialy changed the rules and did not allow A10-0T motors, or externaly flown streamers. Considering the insanity, I'm lucky that they did not did not take points away from previous contests as well.

Alan

And people complain about Jerry holding grudges... but I don't think any of his go back quite that far!

-dave w

Well, he'll just have to work a little harder then, won't he??? (c'mon, Jerry, we're rootin' for ya!)

David Erbas-White

Amen. Aren't there enough current events to vent on, Bob?

Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II God Bless our peacekeepers