question for Tom Dougherty RE: Revell Lionfish/USS Croaker

Tom, I've noticed several of your posts about the Revell Lionfish kit, and am hoping you can help me in my quest:

I'm interested in using Revell's Lionfish submarine as a basis to make a model of the USS Croaker, a Gato-class sub that used to be a museum display in Groton CT that I visited as a kid, but is now displayed in Buffalo NY. Just wondering which Nautilus Models resin update set I should get to convert the Lionfish into the Croaker. I know that Croaker is a Gato-class, but have no idea if it was an early Gato or late Gato.

Also, does anyone have any WWII era photos of the Croaker? I've been able to find photos of her on the internet, but these are all of her in the post-war years when she had had several major modifications into a hunter/killer sub. I'm hoping to find references to how she looked during the war.

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Pauli G
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1952 (subs hadn't started Guppy conversions as yet)

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Launched: 19DEC43; Sponsored by Mrs. William H.P. Blandy; Commissioned: 21APR44 with LCdr John E. Lee in command. Decommissioned: 15JUN46; Recommissioned: 7MAY51 (Basically as laid up after WW2.)

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HobbyOasis

I have not been able to find any photos of her in her WWII outfitting. Next time I'm ove doing research at the New London Sub Musem, I'll check for WWII ear photos. The sole web photo of her prior to her SSK conversion is at the bottom of:

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From the 1952 photo, it looks as if she is in late war Gato shape, so the Nautilus Late war Gato conversion would do. It also looks as if she has a

5"/25 mounted abaft the conning tower. Looking at the records I have on hand, Croaker (SS246) was started well after Dace (247), Dorado (248) and Flasher (249). As with these other three boats, she was built at the Electric Boat "Victory Yard", a wartime building facility about a mile south of the main EB plant. She was also the first sub built on Victory Yard Building Way #1, which looks as if it was completed late relative to the other 9 ways. As a consequence, Croaker was not finished until December of 43. Undoubtedly, she resembled Flasher and the other sisters "as built" (Nautilus Mid War Gato kit), but would have been cut down similar to Flasher later in the war. Very few subs were completed at the 10 building ways of the Victory Yard (26 total). The property was sold to Pfizer, Inc after the war. My lab now sits very close to where Croaker was built. The slanted concrete surface that the building ways were on is still there....

With the Lionfish kit, I would recommend replacing all of the cleats, capstans and anchor with HR white metal parts, in addition to the Nautilus conversion kits. Drill out ONLY the half-moon (lower) limber holes, as that is the EB pattern. The slot like limber holes were used in the yards that used the US government plans (Portsmouth, Mare Island, & Cramp). Anchor should be on the starboard side. See my build of Blenny for more at:

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Have fun!

Tom Dougherty ( snipped-for-privacy@aol.com)

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Ives100

Just in time for the good torpedos. She had a busier 1944 than many older subs. One reason she was in still in late war fit in 1952 may have been that she was a little "worn".

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Tom Cervo

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