Dean Freytag

There are reports that Dean Freytag, MMR, passed away this morning.
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On 12/27/2010 9:19 AM, Mark Mathu wrote:

I received an e-mail on one of my lists stating he had passed away Christmas evening at the assisted living facility in which he had been for the past 11 months. It gave information on services to be held for Dean as well.
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On 27/12/2010 1:14 PM, Rick Jones wrote:

I met him at NMRA 2003 in Toronto - he wasn't afraid of SARS. ;-)
A real gentleman, answered my somewhat obtuse questions in a most friendly way. I admired his ability to makes credible mdoels out of what looked like almost nothing.
He will be missed.
Wolf K.
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Would that be:
* Severe acute respiratory syndrome, a pneumonia-like disease * The South African Revenue Service, the tax collection agency for South Africa * Sars, the Specialist Anti-Robbery Squad, an elite police unit in Nigeria * Sars, a common abbreviation for sarsaparilla in Australia
Having just eaten an anchovy pizza for lunch, I await your answer with baited breath.
~Pete
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On 12/27/2010 3:43 PM, Twibil wrote:

The above. The convention in Toronto took place not long after the outbreak in the Far East, and some Canadian cases of it had been reported. There was widespread fear of it turning into a pandemic; thankfully it didn't. Many NMRA members that had been planning to attend canceled, resulting in the National Train Show also being canceled as manufacturers and dealers pulled out. The convention itself was much smaller than normal that year.
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Another one of the hyped up pandemic fear mongering scares of recent years. SARs, H1H1, Swine Flu et al. Al amounted to nothing.
Wonder what the 2011 version will be?
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:05:57 -0800, "Roger Traviss"

SARS had a fatality rate of nearly 10% in those infected. Over 700 people died from it. I sure wouldn't call that "nothing."
The World Health Organization advised postponing travel to Toronto (site of the NMRA 2003 convention) a few months before the NMRA meeting. The advisory was lifted well in advance of the NMRA show, but the damage had been done, and show attendance was down that year.
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Influenza spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, resulting in the deaths of between 250,000 and 500,000 people every year.
No panic over that.
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On 28/12/2010 3:19 AM, Roger Traviss wrote:

That's because it's a known factor: the killer is "ordinary flu", to which most of us have acquired immunity. It's a generational thing: most of us have acquired immunity to the current flu virus families. Most of the deaths occur in the very young, who have not yet acquired immunity; and in the elderly, who have missed out on acquiring immunity to the new strain(s). It's a true pandemic, but's it not a "killer". If it were, there would tens of millions of deaths.
The fear with H1N1 was twofold: it was a strain out of the ordinary sequence, so to speak (in fact, it's related to the Spanish flu, which did kill millions.) That means it's in a family for which most of us have no immunity. Two things prevented a vicious killer pandemic: it was less virulent than estimated; and in the industrialised world vaccination reduced its effects. Even so, about 20% of the flu deaths in Canada were H1N1 that year.
A perspective statistic: In Canada, about as many people die of the flu every year as in highway accidents.
Have a good one, Wolf K.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:19:30 -0800, "Roger Traviss"

Not a panic, but health professionals around the world are continually working to control strains of the flu. But back to your original phrase, I don't belive any normal person would call H1H1 or Swine Flu "nothing," either.
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On 30/12/2010 13:06, Mark Mathu wrote:

These scare campaigns are just to create market opportunities, to get research grants from gullible governments and ultimately gullible taxpayers, and to give politicians an excuse to divert public attention from other issues. Just like global warming.
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Even given what I wrote, I still think that a strong warning, without all the panic and media hype, is a good thing. Better safe than sorry.
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Wow.
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2010.html
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Indeed. We've had many colder winters than usual. Much more snow then usual. When I was a kid it rarely snowed in December but for the past several years it has snowed every December. White Cristmas? You bet we got 12 inches the day after and we had to reschedule the Eagles- Vikings game. This global warming thing is out of control. If it gets any warmer we're all gonna freeze to death.
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On 30/12/2010 2:36 PM, None wrote:

But 2010 is still the warmest year on record (ie, highest average daily temperatures in most parts of the N. hemisphere). Paradox, or what?
NYT had an article on why global warming causes snowier winters in the mid-latitudes. It has to do with increased snow in Siberia. The higher summer temperatures make more water available for snow, so Siberia gets more snow, and snow further south. That changes the heat exchange between ground and air, and one effect of that is that the jet stream moves south. The jet stream collides with the warmer/damper air in the mid-latitudes, which causes snow; and the larger than normal temperature differences cause strong winds. Result: blizzards. Then the snow melts, a good deal of water evaporates, the air becomes moist again, and the cycle repeats. Every two weeks or so. IOW, you're in for a few more storms. If you're lucky, not quite as bad as the last two.
BTW El Nino and La Nina (upwelling of warmer water to the surface of the Pacific near the equator) both cause increased snowfall in Canada and the northern USA because both increase the temperature of the air over the e central and eastern Pacific Ocean. Similar mechanisms, different location.
So, yes, global warming does cause more snow than usual in the mid-latitudes. And less snow further north. Much less, in fact. We have some snow, but not nearly as much as we had 30-40 years ago. And further north, in the arctic, it's warmer than usual. Much warmer. The forecast a couple or three years ago was that the arctic ice cap would last at least until sometime after 2150. Now it looks like it may be gone by 2050.
BTW, for those of you living in the UK: one of the possible effects of global warming is a change in the flow of warm water from the Caribbean to the North Atlantic: at present, the Gulf Stream flows "downstream" so to speak, on top of the cold N. Atlantic water, and warms up the UK and Iceland. Global warming could warm up the N. Atlantic enough to block the flow of the Gulf stream, or divert it south. If that happens, the UK and Iceland would become colder.
Will this happen? Nobody knows for sure. But the experiment is under way. And you guys are the guinea pigs. All of us are guinea pigs, actually: a likely effect on Canada will be extended droughts. It may comfort you to know that. Then again, maybe not.
have a good day, Wolf K.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between "climate" -which can be thought of as the total amount of energy in the system- and "weather" which is the expression of that energy.
Fact: as the globe continues to accumulate more energy (in the form of heat) than it gets rid of through radiation, the weather will become more and more extreme; and this includes having both lower lows and higher highs. Human beings can insulate themselves from these extremes to some extent, but the plants and animals that have evolved to live in certain ranges of temperature extremes cannot; and will go extinct if they cannot migrate.
Alas, this is the case with most species, and many of those same species -both plants and animals- are ones that comprise part of the food chains *we* rely on.
Care to try living on 500 calories a day and having to fight to get even that much?
~Pete
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On 31/12/2010 10:03, Twibil wrote:

You are a classic case of having been indoctrinated by the purveyors of this drivel, twibil. I would have expected better from you.
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Uh, sure. *That* must be it.
A basic understanding of high-school physics, and the fact that I taught for 12 years at the University of California -and got to know several guys in the Science Department who have spent their entire professional lives researching this problem- couldn't *possibly* have anything to do with it, right?
So tell us: how many climatologists and geophysicists do *you* know?
Oh wait, I forgot: they're all part of this plot to promote something that you'd rather not admit was true, so they must all be lying.
Sheesh!
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On 31/12/2010 12:41, Twibil wrote:

A lot more than you probably do, because I used to work in close proximity to a whole department of them.

Almost all the ones I know either were never part of the conspiracy or have now seen the light. The only ones standing ground are the recipients of research grants that would dry up if they admitted it is nonsense.
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On 30/12/2010 9:10 PM, a_a_a wrote:

Well, it looks like none of us will be around 50 years from now, by which time it will be plain who's spouting nonsense.
Cheers, Wolf K.
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