Truro and the preserved Dukedog are mambers of the same family:
Starting with Dukes in 1895. Domed parallel boiler, round topped
smokebox. Belpaire added later.
The Badmintons were Dukes with 6'8' drivers and Belpaire boiler.
The Bulldogs were Dukes with the Churchward standard number 2 boiler,
originally parallel with a raised Belpaire and later tapered.
Original Bulldogs and Duke rebuilds had curved frames, later Bulldogs
had straight frames.
The Atbaras were Badmintons with the Bulldog boiler.
The Cities were Atbaras with the larger Churchward number 4 boiler.
The Aberdares were freight 2-6-0s of basically the same design as the
Atbaras and Cities.
Finally the Dukedogs were straiht-framed Dukes, nominally new engines
built from existing parts 40 years after the original
If any of these were availble I'd buy them.
But for my period of interest it would be anything but the Dukedog.
City of Truro is actually a later rebuild with extended smokebox,
superheater, top feed and piston valves. It never carried the ornate
Dean livery in that condition until preservation.
But it looks beatiful and I would close my eyes to the anachronism.
Maybe, but more useful would be a range of 0-6-0 freight locos, e.g.
LMS /LMR :
ex-L&YR, ex-MR Class 3F
ex-LNWR, Cauliflower or Coal Engine
Class J6, J11, J15/17, J25/27, J36, J37
plus some ex-LNER/GCR/GNR 2-8-0's, Classes O1/O2/O4
and also some older passenger tank designs that survived until the BR era
e.g. ex-LNWR 0-6-2T
ex- L&YR 2-4-2T
ex- LNER (GCR) C13 4-4-2T
A5 or A8 4-6-2T
Of the NER types, I's suggest the C ("J21") as a more generally
useful and flexible type than the P-derivatives (P2 and P3, aka
"J25" and "J27"). The Cs worked passenger trains regularly and
for //many// years were the workhorses of the long, thin
secondary routes and rural branches (with particularly associations
with the /very/ modellable Lancashire & South Durham Union
over Stainmore. With the Ps you're much more closely tied to
the coalfield, though they did last a few years longer (not that
J36 and J37 are right on the ball.
Sounds like the GWR's Dean Goods which was do anything, go anywhere
locomotive. You even saw them with class A head codes when the South
Wales expresses were diverted over the Severn bridge due to
engineering work in the tunnel.
I know a lot about the history, but a little more learnt there thanks.
Seen COT all over the place, first at Swindon museum, got some very good
video material of it running on the Glos/Warwick Railway, yet I have never
seen any other GWR 4-4-0s
0+1 = 1
I have seen 1 City and 0 Dukedog so one more than 0 is 1
Basic maths not O level not A level
Go fuck your self you complete and utter toss pot, I have had it with you,
you go around isulting every one who disagrees with your viewpoint, you do
not understand primary school level maths and throw insults around like
I would guess you are a 50 something saddo living with you mum, the way you
keep bandying around the isults and picking on people, I would admit if you
talked to me like that in person I would deck you. If you had any real
friends you wouldn't infect news groups like a cancer picking on other
posters, if this was a web forum you would be banned (mind you for my
language so would I).
Now I admit I pop in on tea breaks but like to read about new models and get
advice about detailing and construction.
Now piss off and do something constructive!
BTW I am kill filing you for the first time in 4 or 5 years, did it before
when you trashed a group and doing it again so I do not get tempted to
As to insults I can think of hundreds more!
Now try to control yourself before there is noone else left to talk to (or
are you happy to talk at people)
Let's see now...
How many Dukedogs has he seen running? Answer: 0
How many City of Truro's has he seen running? Answer: 1
And, last time I looked, one is one more than zero.
So I am not altogether sure why you have a problem with this.
Thanks - you understand!!
I'm ignoring Jerry from now - once he goes like this groups tend to suffer,
some people seem to have the attitude that abusing other posters is fair
game, I tend to be polite except in one or two circumstances like a
transport group tr011 (got to be carefull with that word), and I like to get
the same back.
The now blocked person managed four insults in one message. I still cannot
work out why he did it, but to be honest - get snotty - get it back.
There is a lot in the history of the double framed 4-4-0s and will always be
lots to learn.
It's now very obvious what Martin thought you meant, i.e. How many
City of Truro's passing HIM in the station, not passing each other.
Quite a reasonable misinterpretation.
Not at all, unless one doesn't understand the difference between the
singular and the plural...
Well this is the first time that you've bothered to explain what you
meant, even though it was obvious that no-one else took it that way.
Rudeness plus a failure to explain is not a reasonable response to
But I did explain what I meant, it's called the English language, I
asked "how many City of Truro's have you seen passing in the station?"
(note the plural), 'not how many TIMES have you seen City of Truro
passing trough the station?' (note the lack of the plural and the lack
of the word "times")...