Hornby 2007 rumour

I've just heard a rumour that involves Hornby producing these for 2007: Maunsell coaches Blue Pullman

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Jane Sullivan
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On 18/12/2006 19:00, Jane Sullivan said,

Well-founded? I wonder how many people would actually buy a Blue Pullman when it's suddenly readily available. I wonder if the ludicrous prices that the old Tri-ang ones go for will reduce?

Reply to
Paul Boyd

Ok, maybe this is because I'm young, but what is so special about a Blue Pullman? Forgive my naivety... just trying to learn more about these trains.

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Ian

On 18/12/2006 19:33, Ian said,

You've asked exactly the right question! I suspect that what's so special about it is the fact that the Tri-ang model has some rarity value. Nothing else. It's become one of those "must-have" models for collectors, who lock them away in darkened cupboards.

Hence my comments!

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Paul Boyd

It was Britain's railways first successful move into the modern age!

Greg.P.

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Greg Procter

The prototype was years ahead of its time and a design icon of its period. In model form it made a striking addition to any layout.

(kim)

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kim

I'm not entirely sure that something can be both "years ahead of its time" and "a design icon of its period" simultaneously, but I know what you mean :-)

Indeed. Especially since its natural habitat included two geographical regions that are themselves commonly modelled: the Derbyshire peaks and the Southwest.

Mark

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Mark Goodge

I used the Bristol Pullman in 1959/60 and was impressed. Unfortunately the engineering staff goofed at Bristol and allowed the engine coolant to freeze causing some damage. Paddington was frozen up point wise anyway so the steamers were no better off. It is interesting that although only two trains were built that they were the fore-runners of the most successful UK train (type43) heralding the elimination of all kinds of rail infrastruction simply by being bi-directional. No one thought through the worst case scenario where a simple failure could cause chaos because there were no 57XX's around to drag away the diesel junk.

Reply to
Peter Abraham

these trains.

Think of it as the prototype for the prototype HST, except with comfort but not as fast!

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Jerry

The Maunsell coaches make perfect sense, seeing that they have now got some decent SR locos in the stable - lets hope that they also produce a Push-pull set to go with the M7...

As for the Blue Pullman, I would prefer a (proper) 5BEL set, please!

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Jerry

The Blue Pullman certainly was an iconic design from all the film and photos I've seen.

To have a model one though would mean it would spend 96% of it's time in the fiddle yard surely ? Perhaps a model of Old Oak Common depot would be more useful for displaying this potential Hornby release.

Whether the model would "wash it's face" is a moot point though - I certainly wouldn't have one, although a D63xx NBL or maybe a D95xx Paxman would be a different story

As a matter of interest - where the Midland Pullmans shedded ? logic would suggest London or Manchester.

Regards Phil

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Waldviertler

The Maunsell coaches seems a definite cert as yesterday it was noticed that Hornby's webmaster had goofed big time and put this

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as the illustration for a Mk 3 TGS in One livery!! Word spread like wild fire and although it's since been taken off the Mk 3 description on the site, the image is still there....

Regards John M Upton

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JMUpton2000

Any pictures of a Blue Pullman on the website? :o)

(kim)

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kim

Apparently, Hornby had an image available on their website of Maunsell coach. Its been pulled now, but is discussed (amongst other places) here:

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It appears to be a prototype photo of a Restriction 4 (9' 0") Brake Composite.....

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John Ruddy

Jerry said the following on 18/12/2006 21:23:

Is it just me, or is that as designs get newer they get less comfortable? I'm not old enough for Blue Pullmans, but the old compartment stock Mk1s were comfortable, HSTs and Mk2s weren't too bad, but these red and silver things are bloody awful, and the less said about buses on rails the better! There isn't physically enough legroom for me to sit straight in the seats, and I'm only 6ft. I really couldn't imagine sitting in that skinny plastic seat from Edinburgh to Penzance. I had a trip in an HST the other month, and I'd forgotten how comfortable older stock is!

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Paul Boyd

The other way of looking at it is that your are getting bigger. I've noticed the same issue with airline seats. When I was younger and less well built, I was fine in them. Now I find any excuse not to fly!

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Ian

"Jane Sullivan" wrote

Are you sure they're not referring to THIS Blue Pullman?

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which is a fairly straight forward relivery of their Mk1 and Mk2 coaches.

If it's the old Midland &/or Western Pullmans then I suspect they are entering another 'blind alley' unless of course they are going to use the totally inaccurate original Tri-ang tooling.

John.

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John Turner

It can't be that rare, it was in the catalog year after year. The main thing it appeared largely as a set with power car, dummy power car & 1 trailer. Any reasonable representation of the train needed at least 3 more centre cars, leading to the obvious shortage of centre cars and swapmeets full of Power/dummy twins that no one can shift.

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Kevin Martin

Well they could re-launch the Triang version in the Thomas range as " Bernard the big blue diesel" or somesuch. With code 75 friendly wheels and an upgraded mechanism a fair few punters would be happy with that IMHO.

I would think there is much more potential in an upgraded HST than a Blue Pullman, or maybe the HST will be covered by the old Lima body tooling with this new power bogie thingie they use on the 121 - although you may need a fair few power bogies to shift a scale length rake!

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airsmoothed

I found that just two powered cars would handle a full train up my

1:35 grads at more than scale speeds. Unfortunately I could never maintain both cars at power at all times due to all manner of built in imperfections (including those hand made by yours truely) and this all too often led to concertina derailing. I suppose that such a train could be built with a power detector/ load sharing device to insure against this type of problem.
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Peter Abraham

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