Re: Bachmann innovations.

(in reply to my bit about converting stock to Kadee.. some via NEM sockets)

Having had my attention redrawn to this, I 've looked yet again at my heights, and can agree with you that the Bachman Mk1 coaches and in fact the steel coil wagon (which they supply with Kadee style EZ couplers fitted - BUT NOT via NEM sockets!) ARE at the WRONG height - where that is judged by comparison to others (Continental European {Roco Fleischmann Trix LimaHO HeljanOO} and Hornby from the UK), and 'my reference standard': the Kadee Height gauge.

Even in their catalogue for 2004 they got it wrong - look at the illustration of the 4 wheel wagons, and you can see those with NEM pockets, and 1 illustration (page 35 top right - 'triang' type coupling too high because they didn't use their 'cranked' triang-style nem pocket coupler 36-027 as opposed to '36-030 Mk2 couplings nem shaft straight with pocket' (these details from the accompanying price list -not illustrated - and I am making the assumption that the 'mk2 ' coupling design referred to is NOT the EZmate Mk2 design that is their Kadee equivalent!!!!!)

WHAT IS NEEDED is ANOTHER Bachmann EZ-NEM coupling adapter - WITHOUT the existing vertical offset (to correct the situation out in the field already) and the modify the NEM pocket heights for future production. (The existing adapter is 78035 'NEM Center Shank- Medium' which is the direct equivalent (except for no pivoting head) of the Kadee No20 LONG NEM) A TRUE 'centre shank' NEM would suffice - I will try lowering some '035s'.

I have just rechecked my Bachmann Kadee 'Conversions' as follows: Deltic Class 55- appears okay Class 24 - slight droop (making it too low - but okay if droop dealt with) Class 25 - okay (I have no Bachmann Class 27 of any batch to measure)

CLASS 4MT - REAR - too high, FRONT- Okay (how many on THAT design team??)

GWR 2-6-2T - too high Collet 0-6-0 tender loco - cureent product - NEM socket on loco - okay (no change - no socket on tender)

SR/BR N Class 2-6-0 NEM pocket on tender - OKAY (I used a Kadee nem on the pony truck and that is okay).

Mk1 Coaches supplied with NEM pockets- TOO HIGH Steel Coil Wagon - Too High

Bachmann Track Maintenance (Plasser+Theurer) self-propelled units are OKAY.

US Outline Bachmann rolling stock and Jupiter Loco - OKAY (they are what prompted my change over to Kadee style a few months ago!)

Recent Bachmann wagons with NEM pocket - I don't have any of my own (the ones I saw in the Digital sets were in 'Small World' in Barnstaple, and I had no height gauge with me)

By CONTRAST: Hornby NEM pocketed locos and Stock - ALL OKAY (note that some recent product - eg the Bullied seems to have aquired NEM sockets unannounced)

Heljan

++++++ Class35 Hymeks - one okay, one slightly too high (1mm ish - possibly due to 'lack of sag' on that coupling which is aiming slightly high. Western Class 52 okay Class 47 okay okay

SUMMARY The height error on the Bachmann stock described as 'too high' is in excess of 2mm or half the coupling head height - and does not allow reliable coupling to items with the correct height - IE NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. (and the coil wagon IS supplied with the Kadee style fitted) (in some cases they hardly touch, or even pass over the adjacent coupling!)

I became concerned - partly after Greory's repeated query - when I found that some of my ealiest conversions (made before the height gauge arrived) which had been made by 'matching' to Bachmann US stock, were the wrong height (too high) and needed remaking. Thankfully this doesn't seem to have affected too many items.. now that my entire OO/HO stock, bar about

16 items still pending, has been converted over to'Kadee style' in preparation for the 'great rebuild' coming shortly.

BTW White LEDs came down to about 8p each after Christmas (10ukp for 80, with power supply) I bought an extra few chains for the 'subdued' distributed lighting for the new layout.... now when are those builders starting...??

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Phil
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An employee joined Trix from Liliput and brought the E3000 with him. I remember seeing one in a specialist model shop window and was quite impressed but it was quickly forgotten when the Hornby/Triang model hit the mass market.

(kim)

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kim

Many do but it's of necessity rather than by choice. I have a Lledo H0 scale bus in my collection. It looks a bit odd as all the others are 00 scale but I can live with it.

Why doesn't New Zealand become a part of Australia? After all there are many more Australians than New Zealanders. You've already got the same Queen and speak the same language. I'm sure New Zealand businesses would benefit by becoming part of the same economic system. You wouldn't need a separate army, navy and air force any more and New Zealand law has always been backwards compared to Australian law. Why be different? What's the point?

(kim)

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kim

The point the H0 society page is making is that the Roco model could be used as an '08' on British layouts with a few minor mods and a repaint.

(kim)

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kim

In message , kim writes

Many more Aussies than Kiwis in NZ, how do you know that? And in any event they are totally different people, with a different culture, they even speak differently. In an event NZ doesn't have an airforce anymore (to speak of), and the Navy has gone downhill a bit. But heh, it's a very nice country and I prefer NZ to Aussie.

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James Christie

Are we talking about the same Bachmann ex-WD loco? This is the one I mean:-

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And yes I wouldn't mind having one in H0 scale in NS livery but I can live with the existing 00 version. The latter is for sideboard display only so it doesn't matter if the scale is exact or not. *If* Bachmann ceases production of its split chassis models British enthusiasts might have to settle for an imported H0 version but then again a foreign manufacturer might prefer producing it in 00 so as to take advantage of the much bigger UK market. Likewise the EM-2.

(kim)

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kim

I think you mean Class 37?

(kim)

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kim

According to an Australian friend the only difference between New Zealand and a pot of yoghurt is that the yoghurt has a living culture.

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Bruce Fletcher

I had to bear it mind in my 2L Vitesse convertible though.

G.Harman

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g.harman

While I've never seen anything official, Trix UK must have been getting it's models produced by Liliput for some years as many models were packaged in the same manner as Liliput models.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Gregory Procter

We're actually a long way from Australia!

By that reasoning we should become Chinese - there are even more of them!

Well, that may be temporary - Australia is well on the way to becoming a republic and we retain our queen because ... well, err, we don't like the alternatives like being a republic and "Women's Weekly" needs the royal family.

No, they speak "Stryne" while we speak a variation of the Queen's English.

The attempts haven't worked so far. The Australian economic system, like the US, is based on the country having vast natural resources and exports of those resources while NZ's is based on agricultural production and exports of those products.

Of course we need a separate army, navy and air force! You have to consider what they are used for. Australia toadies to the USa, just as Britain does and their military is configured to be an adjunct to the US's forces. NZ's forces are an adjunct to the UN and to a small degree for patrolling our surrounding ocean. Having a air strike (defence in US speak) force is almost totally pointless for NZ's purposes/benefit. We're out of range of any nation that we might become paranoid enough to imagine might strike us, and our population is too small to support an airforce capable of meeting a carrier's worth of strike aircraft. Add to that the physical size (length) of NZ and fighter aircraft are shown to be pointless - their only value would be for training pilots for use as war fodder for UK/US wars as in WWI, WWII and the Korean/Malaysian wars etc.

We're rather distrustful of Australian "advances" (and Australians)

We'd possibly consider Australian states wanting to become a part of NZ - I believe Tasmania is about ready to submit a formal request and NSW would follow.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Gregory Procter

Luckily that's not true! Aussies would make up about 5% of the NZ population (200,000)

Again untrue - our "strike force" has been closed down as being totally pointless from an NZ perspective, but the rest still exists.

Our seas are relatively flat - the downhill bits are generally matched by the uphill bits.

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Gregory Procter

No, I was thinking of the Austerity 0-6-0ts used by your coal boards.

Etched brass construction and computers makes parallel production practical :-)

Greg.P.

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Gregory Procter

That's one of the many NZ sourced jokes that the Aussies have tried to claim they invented. (the "culture" bit should give the game away) "The continuing emigration of NZers to Australia raises the average IQ of both countries." Rob Muldoon, NZ Prime Minister c 1980.

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Gregory Procter

The biggest problem with Trix was the hybrid scale. Smaller than OO and larger than HO. 3.8 mm/ft AFAIR.

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Christopher A. Lee

Didn't they redesign the rear suspension of those along the lines of the Triumph

2000? I nearly built myself an automatic 2.5L Vitesse station wagon a few years back.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Gregory Procter

My scheme of finding a 'Triang bedhead coupler' to clip into a European wagon NEM pocket to make a converter wagon obviously needs to be centered on a Hornby product!

The Bachmann wagon is one that "Scale Trains" suggested could become an H0 conversion simply by slicing up the middle and putting on smaller wheels so that purchase isn't a dead loss :-)

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Gregory Procter

Well, if (scale) buyers largely rejected 3.8mm/ft models then they are not going to mix 1:87 and 1:76.2. The later Trix models were, I believe, to 4mm/ft scale but the 'wrong scale' doubt had obviously been laid.

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Gregory Procter

Those are not made by Bachmann but by Hornby, like this

Keith

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Keith Norgrove

"Scale Trains", huh, misnomer that Keith

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Keith Norgrove

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