Time Scales

I can understand the difficulty you have with this Jerry. It is whats known as an open mind. Norman has been influenced by what he has learned from this group.

Cheers, Simon

John,

The original question prompted me to look at my dog-eared 1953 copy of the Observers Book of British Railway Locomotives and I think there were nine A classes in existence in 1953, five of them being tank locos. I have to confess I am now away from home and flying by memory, but I'm pretty sure A9 was the top number. I had seen a reference to an A10 pacific and I remember not quite getting to that number in the book :-)

Jim.

And, as a citizen of Alberta, he has just got a windfall from his local government - if you are across the news.

Jim.

Yes but I don't think many, if any, of the 4-6-2T's were ever fitted with double chimneys...

Feel free to point out those that I have missed!

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The A10 was a reclassification of the A1 class, aka A3's but with the lower pressure boiler, they were reclassified A10's to allow the new Thomson A1/1 - which was Thomson's disgusting and vindictive 'rebuild' of the original Gresley 4-6-2 Great Northern - to be given the A1 classification, later changed to A1/1 when the Peppercorn

That's as clear as mud I hear people cry....

Only a fool refuses to change his mind when given good advice.

So you have never heard of changing priorities? MY budget is limited & having been given good advice from others on this newsgroup who, unlike you, are more interested in sharing knowledge than posturing, I have decided to hold off on buying locos until I have the books. I hope this re-allocation of my limited funds meets with your approval.

You are a silly little man Jerry. As I have said before, I wonder if you would have the balls to say to my face what you feel free to bandy around this group hiding behind a computer. Where I come from foul mouthed little blusterers with puffed up egos like you would get a swift clop around the ears to knock some sense & manners into you. Now go away & put your pinny back on it's time for you to dust the mantle-piece.

Came in the post yesterday Jim...... Now if I can just talk my wife & daughter into donating theirs.... fat chance

Norman

":::Jerry::::"

LOL - I'm no fan of Thompson, although I was regularly hauled by 'Straight Deal' and 'Steady Aim' which coped with their secondary express work fairly adequately, but the claims of vindictiveness are pure speculation and there is no proof to confirm these allegations.

John.

It did cross my mind to wonder about the size of your family, and their amenity to persuasion :-)

Jim.

Oops, flipping typo, that should have read 4-6-2.

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Oh yes there is, try reading the various books written about Thomson and his relationship with Gresley, even if one taken on board the fact that Great Northern just happened to be in for a major overhaul at the time there were still many other A1/A3's that could have been used that were either due for shopping or would be shortly. More than a few people, from the company directors down who attempted to make Thomson aware of the historical significance of Great Northern - but Thomson being a Great Eastern man at hart - all the pleas to use another fell on deaf ears.

F*ck off, you ignorant little moron.

A10s, IIRC, were those Gresley A1s which hadn't (yet) been rebuilt to A3 standard with the higher-pressure boiler. Re-classified A10 to make way for the big-wheeled Thompson engines (beginning with the rebuild of Great Northern). A2 was another re-used classification in the Pacific sequence - the original L&NE A2s were the Raven pacifics. To muddy the waters further - the L&NE adopted the GNR's classifcation system - and "A" only got applied to Pacifics right at the end of the gnR. Before that it had been applied to 4-2-2s (and "B" to 2-2-2s).

For what it's worth, about a year ago Railway Magazine published a letter from the railway author and former Stewarts Lane Shedmaster R.H.N. Hardy, who knew Thompson personally (how many people now living can claim that distinction?). Hardy dismissed the claims of vindictiveness and asserted that he was a mild and kindly man.

Andy

In message , Norman writes

While we can all appreciate how this 'gentleman' [using the term extremely loosely] seeks to incite, insult and irritate, others at every opportunity, rather than playing his silly games, why do you not add him to your kill file? You will no longer have to read and respond [in kind] to any of his postings which will undoubtedly provide some relief to the rest of us who download the drivel that you are helping [by your actions in responding] to propagate. Idiots are best ignored - completely.

Unfortunately some misguided individuals within the group will continue to quote at least part of his more idiotic postings but then of course nothing in this world is ever perfect :0)

Cheers.

Peppercorn

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As all his friends did or do.... The fact remains that he used a historic locomotive in nothing more than vindictive spite for not being the first LNER CME. He could have used ANY other A1/A3 loco but no he chose to use the first Gresley 4-6-2...

Oh Roy you are a spoil-sport. I was enjoying myself & providing a chuckle for all those who have suffered at his foul-mouthed rantings. But to please you I'll cease pushing his buttons & slide into boredom reading long threads about rich mackin & empty boxes on e-bay ;-)

Norman

":::Jerry::::" wrote

I doubt whether it was regarded as 'historic' at the time, I would reckon it was probably considered to be just 'another' Gresley Pacific at the time, and the fact that it was the oldest of the lot meant it was most likely in need of the most work to repair it for continued service. It made some sense if you look at it that way.

John.

No, it's a recorded fact that the LNER was party to the first York railway museum!

Not really, any A1/A3 would have done that was due for heavy shopping.

":::Jerry::::" wrote

I wouldn't dispute that, but do you have any evidence that the Queen Street Museum had any interest in securing *Great Northern* (or any other relatively modern steam locomotive for that matter) for display?

John.