Chilling

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-warming2-2008jun02,0,5120050.story [ A chilling global warming forecast
New reports about climate change should have us all sweating about the future. June 2, 2008
There's always a new report about global warming, but the one released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, with its charts on optimal temperatures for soybeans and peanuts, is downright creepy in its detail. This isn't your usual futuristic fodder, with vague but dire predictions. The USDA report is more frightening because it states matter-of-factly the practical changes in farming, forestry and water that are transforming the landscape now and will do so again over the next few decades.
The Senate is scheduled to vote this week on a sweeping bill that would require carbon emissions to be slashed 70% by mid-century. .... .... The prognosis for California is especially discouraging. ]
The USDA report: http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap4-3/default.php
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This forecast is being proved wrong as it published The Earth is cooling , however Hansen and Co are doing their best to camouflage the fact.
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:29:20 -0700 (PDT), chemist

cite? Every set of climate data I've ever seen show a steady increase over the last several decades.
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But cooling over the last decade!
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It was a lie the first 1000 times you said that, and it remains a lie.
Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.
Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.
And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.
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1958 14.08 *******o*************** 1959 14.06 ********o************ 1960 13.99 *********o****** 1961 14.08 **********o************ 1962 14.04 ***********o******** 1963 14.08 ************o********** 1964 13.79 **===========o 1965 13.89 *********====o 1966 13.97 **************o 1967 14.00 ***************o* 1968 13.96 **************==o 1969 14.08 *****************o***** 1970 14.03 ******************o 1971 13.90 **********=========o 1972 14.00 *****************===o 1973 14.14 ********************o****** 1974 13.92 ***********==========o 1975 13.95 *************=========o 1976 13.84 ******=================o 1977 14.13 ************************o* 1978 14.02 ******************=======o 1979 14.09 ***********************===o 1980 14.18 ***************************o** 1981 14.27 ****************************o******* 1982 14.05 ********************========o 1983 14.26 *****************************o***** 1984 14.09 ***********************=======o 1985 14.06 *********************==========o 1986 14.13 **************************======o 1987 14.27 *********************************o** 1988 14.31 **********************************o**** 1989 14.19 ******************************=====o 1990 14.38 ************************************o******* 1991 14.35 ************************************o**** 1992 14.12 *************************============o 1993 14.14 ****************************===========o 1994 14.24 **********************************=====o 1995 14.38 ****************************************o*** 1996 14.30 **************************************===o 1997 14.40 ******************************************o** 1998 14.57 *******************************************o************* 1999 14.33 ****************************************===o 2000 14.33 ****************************************====o 2001 14.48 *********************************************o***** 2002 14.56 **********************************************o********* 2003 14.55 ***********************************************o******* 2004 14.49 ************************************************o** 2005 14.62 *************************************************o********** 2006 14.54 **************************************************o**** 2007 14.57 ***************************************************o***** -------------------------------------------> Temperature
Correlation Coefficient .8529209

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:55:55 -0400, "V-for-Vendicar"
Subject: Fw: Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting:                  This is what he can expect if he wins the nomination.....the race is getting nastier Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political Forum.com - Elections and Campaigns. Share with friends
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in Decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Be en A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn?t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ?Baraka? (from which Barack came) means ?blessed? in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making races (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn?t even speak the language. What did you learn was how to study the Koran and watch cartoons. 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn?t, and never did exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn?t, and never did exist.
15.) I Won?t Run On A National Ticket In ?08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a Senior Lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a Senior Lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn?t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you misse d the Iran resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn?t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn?t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn?t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don?t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don?t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR,your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people?s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR , you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, yo u weren?t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don?t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won?t wear a flag pin and you don?t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn?t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife?s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn?t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
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Repeating something his parents told him.

Really? Mormons anyone?

You are a liar.

Lie.

And what's McCain's foreign policy experience?

See above.

"Professor" is a generic term for faculty.

Was he a lawyer?

Not unusual if your bill gets changed in committee.

Then quote all his supporters.

Oh this is silly.

No, actually it was the Clinton camp. As reported by Keith Olbermann.

You are a liar.

Oh give us a break.

He didn't campaign there.

When did he ever say this?

Delegates chosen by ... votes.

Uh, some states choose to have caucuses. Do you think it's Martians in caucuses?

She had withdrawn from the race and encouraged Obama to run, then tried to get back in it.

Still, not like they're running his campaign (a la McCain).

Now you're being stupid.

Huh?

No, he's been consistent.

It's just not mandatory at first.

Now you're being an idiot. The first is silly and the second is false.

She's explained what she meant.

Huh?
You forgot you don't like him because he's black.
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wrote:

So then he is butt ignorant and a liar? Or simply stupid and a liar?

Mormon Polygamy is a normal part of US culture, or even Mormon Culture?

Prove it.

Check his book.

Sudden subject change? Why are you trying to change the subject?

See above.

Ah...no its not. Are you really that stupid and a liar, or simply an ignorant liar?

No.

Nice weasel. I wonder..did he even bother to write the bill, or was that handed to him also?

Prove none did.

But true.

Actually not in this case.

Prove it. If you are unable to, it will prove you are also a shill and a liar.

Prove it not to be true.

No shit?

Yet he lost.

If its Democrats, it might as well be.

Cites?

Actually they are..and pulling his strings. Only problem is..is they are stupid also.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Comprehension issues?

Cites?

And a baby isnt capable of armed robbery...at first.

Really...want me to prove you a liar? Easily done with Google.

Oh..you mean the weasel attempt to back away from the fact she shit in her messkit after the up roar started?

Again..are you simply an ignorant liar or just a stupid liar?

Odd..Id vote for Condi Rice in a heart beat, along with Allen Keyes, Larry Elder etc.
I dont like Obamarama because like you, he is a Marxist.
Fascinating how you bend over backwards to defend the Marxist, yet can only raise a few objections to the list above, leaving the vast majority of the statements alone..even you know they are true.
And yet you support this asshole????
Gunner
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Is it Christianity? "We read in chapter 11 of Mosiah that Noah had many wives and concubines .." "David and Solomon, to name but two such major Old Testament figures, had many wives and concubines. As did a great many other "great men of the bible" who were men of God."
Etc.
Long history.
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Cliff wrote:

them guys wasnt Christians tho ... they was Jews
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Mormons are Jews? The xtians threw away the old stuff ("god's word")? Because it was Jewish? Eleutherios of Paphlagonia founded a monastery in Lycaonia, in which each monk was allowed two wives. "Calvin said polygamy was "exceedingly prevalent" among early New Testament believers. Evidently, this did not prevent them from becoming members of the church." Looks like some of the Popes had several. You could buy & sell them .... But perhaps Bishops were only allowed one?
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Cliff wrote:

they men you mentioned , David , Solomon etc .. they were not Christians

Gods Word has been thrown away for a lot of reasons .

God gave Adam one wife , the first person to take more than one was not a follower of GOd . THe practise of polygamy was wide spread / normal when God decided to have Moses write the Law , the Law regulated what was allready happening , but IIRC it had a rider in it that if a man took another wife besides his first wife , he was not to reduce her portion in anything , in love clothes food ... Jesus pointed out in a discussion about divorce that the Law was like that out of regard for the hard heartedness of the Jews , but that things were not meant to be that way and quoted Genisis re the first Marriage . that it was one man one woman , joined forever . Its taken by many to mean not just divorce want intended , but that marriage was meant to be one man , one woman , not polygamous or polyandrous Jesus filled the Law , it no longer had value as a code to be followed , a lot of stuff changed , but in the area of marriage , Christians were monogamous , stopping away from fornication and adultery even .
Post Charlemagne the sun worhsipping emporers intervention and reinvention tho , yeah , all kinds of shit was OK .
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WHAT "god"? There are thousands of them, a very pestilence !!

IOW many was pretty standard (for those that could afford them).

It's not claimed that he said anything about only having one.

It's not claimed that he said anything about only having one and many of the xtians had many.

Multiple wives were not disallowed.

The guy that invented the xtians? He seems to have had five or six wives plus the concubines.

??
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Cliff wrote:

only one original creator tho , according to the majority of accounts I have read or heard related by lore keepers .

not really ... first wife had 100% of the mans love devotion etc , her portion was not to be lessened when he married wife No2 and 3 ... its kinda hard to do ...

?? you are obviously working from a different set of books than I , according to the bibles I have , adam had only one wife , eve , and it was that marriage of one man one woman and its permanancy that Jesus was refering to .
Your book may well differ .

what is this xtians anyway ? serious question

I might have him mixed up with Constantine , one of them was a sun worshipper and made the cross the symbol of the religion , and included a bunch of rites of sunworship in the deal .
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Myal wrote:

Not according to the First Commandment. But that is only "God's Word," so I can see where you might not put much faith in it...
Dan
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Dan wrote:

1) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." 2) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image," 3) "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;" 4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." 5) "Honor thy father and thy mother:" 6) "Thou shalt not murder." 7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery" 8) "Thou shalt not steal." 9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." 10) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,.....nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
these were given by God to Moses ... sposed to be the same God that is also the Creator
I dont get your point
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How could there be other Gods before God, if no other Gods' existed?
The Christian God implies the existance of his rivals.
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:10:06 -0400, "V for Vendicar"

Who created all these "gods"?
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"V for Vendicar" wrote:

They are immortal and eternal.
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:23:04 -0400, "V for Vendicar"

Which explains why so few have lasted long, eh? I'd guess someone has a list somewhere with nearly 1,000 gods named on it. And most of the rest have been lost in the dust of time.
No doubt, with time (if we survive our stupidity for long) there will be many, many more. Or some form of sanity. Choose one.
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