Good to see your still herer with us man! Good Luck to you and yours
and get well soon!
RON L - SERE SURPLUS
PS: for those that wished for your death, due to a difference in thier
political views SHAME ON THEM!
Good to hear of the happy ending Gunner.
Take care of yourself.
Now that he's had his life saved by the graces of the state of California do
you think he'll come around on universal health care for all? I mean, he's
just gotten what amounts to state run medical care. What are the chances
that when he's back to health he'll still be railing against a medical
system that just saved his life? My guess is he'll be against national healt
h care no matter how many times it comes to his rescue. Now that's a
conservative. I also wonder how much it just cost the rest of all of us for
his "free" medical care.
What makes you or Mr Hawke think that Medicare or Medicaid will be
paying? Assuming facts not in evidence. I know the rules for MediCal
and Gunner would not be eligible for it unless he is deemed disabled
and that isn't easily done nor likely to happen (one has to just about
meet the SSD criteria and the medical records are reviewed by a very
tough state panel). I doubt that will be the case. I'm pretty sure
one must be on SSD for 2 years before one can get Medicare (could be
wrong on that one but that's easily checked). The only possibility of
public (government) payment would be whatever the county program is
for the state mandated (but not funded) Medically Indigent Adult
program. These are generally administered through county hospitals
and I can assure you that Loma Linda is *not* a county hospital. So,
it is extremely unlikely that the American Taxpayer is going to foot
the bill for Gunner's care. You could possibly make a case for unpaid
hospital bills falling on all of us, but I'm not sure how unpaid
hospital bills in California could effect someone in the Midwest or
anywhere else. If you want to pull that one out then if you have ever
had an auto accident that was your fault and covered by your insurance
then I'm pretty damned upset with you because that caused my car
insurance premiums to be higher. Just as if Gunner had health
insurance then his medical expenses would cause your health insurance
premiums to go up. So, say what you will about him I just doubt that
the American Taxpayer is going to be stuck with the bill.
Someone must pay; that much is certain. Both Medicare and Medicaid
reimbursements have been increasingly stingy. But both of those, along
with private health insurance, must be stretched to subsidize the cost
of indigent care. Unquestionably, this increases the costs for both
public and private payers.
Who do you imagine pays those costs? Gunner's care isn't free.
That case has already been made.
but I'm not sure how unpaid
The taxpayers of California probably pay a disproportionately large
share in Gunner's case, but indigent care costs are reflected in every
taxpayer's and insured person's costs.
In your analogy, Gunner is an uninsured motorist who's irresponsibility
causes insurance rates for responsible, insured drivers to go up.
I said nothing about Gunner, personally. However, ultimately we ARE all
subsidizing his medical care, which is fine with me, being as I am one
of those loony leftist liberal elites who actually believes making
health care available to all is a good thing. Gunner's views, although
not his behavior, may be different.
You are correct. Since Gunner will not be paying for his medical care that
means someone else will be footing his bill. This is generally passed on to
the taxpayer in one form or another. I live in California so I will be
paying for some portion of it somehow. I don't oppose this actually. But
then I am a believer in universal health care. If we had it now he would be
cared for and it would be done the cheapest way. I guarantee that the way
it's done now will be very costly. Normally the costs for Gunner's bills
would be cost shifted to the people who have insurance, to the hospital, or
to the state. If we had universal care his medical care would be paid for by
all of us, which is the most efficient way of doing it. The irony is that
he's against that kind of system but he's all for taking the benefits from
it. Which is why he's a dick. You would think that this little episode would
have shown him why universal health care is good for poor folk like him. But
I doubt it will have any effect on him and he will continue to complain
about a system that has saved his life. Which is why...
C'mon Hawke, that's not *WHY* Gunner is a dick. It's just one small
data-point as evidence for his overall Dickery. Gather up a few
hundred of such data points and it clearly elevates Gunner to some
kind of Mondo SuperDickery.
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