I thought I'd separate this from the other thread.
We are talking to Fadal tomorrow. The main point of comparison seems to be the box ways vs. linear rails in Haas. One argument I heard is that Haas seems to be far more popular here (Southern California).
In general --and, without starting a war-- what should I know about both of these machines and the respective manufacturers that might aid in making a decision.
Thank you,
-Martin
Linear ways can easily be replaced and with minimal downtime whereas with box ways the worn parts basically need to be re-manufactured.
So is anal sex or at least that's what Ive heard.
I'm always pleased whenever one of my competitors decides to get a Haas.
Why?
-Martin
============ It is always a good idea to have your second thoughts first.
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------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?
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For whatever reasons (quantifiable, gut feeling or otherwise) fairly well certain in my own mind that they become less of a threat at exactly that instant in time.
Today I was told by a Haas operator that Fadals need to be re-indexed by hand every day if you turn them off at night.
True?
True only if the machine isn't sent home before turning it off. Fadal users with even just a little bit of clue do it out of habit. And that's only with the Fadal control. With a Fanuc control, it doesn't matter.
And manually referencing the machine (Fadal control) is pretty much a no brain operation. Line up the reference marks manually, enter the CS (cold start) command, and 30 seconds later you're ready to machine.
This is a total non issue in a machine comparison IMO.
Martin:
True. But all you have to do before shutting it off is type in SETCS (means set cold start) then HO (means Home), then ENTER - the machine will then go to the cold start position. Then the next morning it's already at the cold start position. It becomes an automatic shut off procedure.
type in SETCS
OK. Makes sense.
Thanks,
-Martin
Both companies are suffering huge losses in sales these days. Haas has/is laying off hundreds of workers. That said, Haas has deeper pockets to stay afloat. The Fadal facility here in Chatsworth is shutting down new machine manufacturing in March (moving back east to parent company facility). Maybe better Haas service (more HFO's). Don't know. At the price points of those machines, it's like Ford or GM (maybe bad example to use automakers...)
-- Bill
Given what is going to happen with taxation in California it might actually be absolutely brilliant to move manufacturing out of the state.
-Martin
With Gene Haas its always been about not paying taxes.
Indeed
I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch wrote on Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:28:05 -0800 in alt.machines.cnc :
It may have been just coincidental timing, but Colorado just spent
90,000 to send a "please come to Colorado, we love you" message to Southern California. Some of it was targeted valentines to CEOS, They report a couple inquiries already.pyotr
-- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
I would pick the haas control for ease of use.
I'd be there in a hot minute if the work scene would improve there. As one who kayaks, skis, and mountain bikes... I could really like it there!
-- Bill
HAHAHAHA....way too true.
You think its going to get better here in California? This is like the Titanic.
Dave B
Not quite. The Titanic was an Accident.
California is self-inflicted.
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Unka' George [George McDuffee]
------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?
Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
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