Maybe we need to move out of the alt hierarcy

ytes along with the in alt but out ors imho but it nd charter it as sting from Black Agreed...this place is a complete joke that at one time had potential. Let Cliff & his liberal butt-buddies have this shithole.

ytes along with the in alt but out ors imho but it nd charter it as sting from Black Wes:
Actually, I think this idea has some serious merit.
The number of moderators, degree of moderation, and who volunteers for the thankless task of BEING a moderator would be points to discuss.
But it could very well bring back some people that have left amc in disgust. Also, many don't like the format of Practical Machinist.
-- BottleBob

charter it as Gets my vote!
Jon

Feel free to post on-topic then ...not that it'll make a dent in the s/n ratio...
...but...
Not to change the subject ...
Hey--I'm trying to put a tool kit together for a younger relative that's recently finished with a machine tech course and who has been working in an aerospace job shop up in Kent for 6 mo or so now...says it's a PITA to have to borrow tools from the othe employees most of whom have a roll-away etc...a certain amount of tension there etc.
Who's birthday is coming up soon and soo...
I guess I'm looking fo some input on what tools you all folks would consider as being essential these days--it's a cnc milling shop they have haas and okuma and mazak IIRC
--I got her a kennedy 8 drawer x 26 offa craigslist a while back and also there's a 4 drawer riser chest kicking around here I spose I could bear to part with...she says the shop where she works at is small enough that a roller bottom box isn't really needed....
I picked up a nearly pristene condition interapids .0005 with indicol as well as a mitotoyu 6in dial calipers for a song at a local second hand tool store and then there's her grandfather's vintage 4pc set of starrett mikes that gets you out from and inch all the way to 4in...
I guess what I'm looking for here is some more ideas/ suggestions as to what else you all feel I should maybe toss in there...radius gages a 6in ruler, cheater bar allen wrenches maybe some tweezers to pull out the goddamned titanium slivers from underneath her fingernail with etc.
Thx in advance...

The only problem I have with the above is it seems to me that there's really only maybe a 1/2 dozen true liberals here...
But that doesn't seem to matter to the several hundred conservative butt monkeys who are quite obviously completely unable to control their compulsive need to respond.

You said, "her". Get her a thick skin and some mace. Better yet, *a* mace. I was only half-way kidding then I was going to suggest some stuff. But the first thing I was going to do was complement you on getting together a nice box for her. Then the "box" jokes started. Definatly get her a thick skin or a sense of humor that includes a lot of self-respect or they pigs in the trade will eat her up.
One thing more. Most important and I am sorry I have to say this after being in the trade for 30 years and after womens lib and all that. Teach her to be better than any guy and humble. Some pig who can't read a mic but has a penis or worse yet a penis and a desk will "make her uncomfortable" and get away with it.
Tell her to protect herself, her dignity, self respect, intergity as fiercly as she protects her body for the raveges of crushing, unstopable, machines.
On a lighter note, it is great to see a young 'un getting into the trade. Continuing a long line it looks like, too. :-) My dad told me as a good machinist I would never get rich but I would always have a job. He was right. And after 30 years it is still fun to play with 400k toys and make stuff....must be the fumes.
A machinery hand book on CD. and a hard copy for her tool box. One to read like a book to learn from and put notes in and the other for quick reference searches.
I am sure you will do right by her accutramon. That's French for tools.
Only the best.

You said, "her". Get her a thick skin and some mace. Better yet, *a* mace. I was only half-way kidding then I was going to suggest some stuff. But the first thing I was going to do was complement you on getting together a nice box for her. Then the "box" jokes started. Definatly get her a thick skin or a sense of humor that includes a lot of self-respect or they pigs in the trade will eat her up.
One thing more. Most important and I am sorry I have to say this after being in the trade for 30 years and after womens lib and all that. Teach her to be better than any guy and humble. Some pig who can't read a mic but has a penis or worse yet a penis and a desk will "make her uncomfortable" and get away with it.
Tell her to protect herself, her dignity, self respect, intergity as fiercly as she protects her body for the raveges of crushing, unstopable, machines.
On a lighter note, it is great to see a young 'un getting into the trade. Continuing a long line it looks like, too. :-) My dad told me as a good machinist I would never get rich but I would always have a job. He was right. And after 30 years it is still fun to play with 400k toys and make stuff....must be the fumes.
A machinery hand book on CD. and a hard copy for her tool box. One to read like a book to learn from and put notes in and the other for quick reference searches.
I am sure you will do right by her accutramon. That's French for tools.
Only the best.

Move on? No. Join both? Sure. Maybe some day I'll be fed up enough to drop this group, but not yet.

A her, eh? That's cool! I like to see women get into the mechanical trades. My daughter graduates this year and is looking hard at UTI, wants to do the auto mechanic, diesel mechanic, and Ford diagnostics classes. Or, find work in a fab shop where she can work on rock crawlers and Baja type vehicles.
Watch evilbay for a few digital mics. With patience, great deals can be scored. I got a near new Mitutoyo 0-1" digital flange mic for a bit over $30. The standard 1" Mitutoyo mics don't generally go as cheap, I paid about $60 for one. But got a 1-2 for around $40. I'm stocking up on digitals for my eventual move to Oz, so I can handle inch/mm more easily.
If she doesn't know what you're up do here, see if you can get out of her what tools she's borrowing the most, without giving the surprise away!
Jon

Sounds like you've got the basics covered, so the only constructive thing I can add is a question. Have you asked her what tools she is borrowing?
Later,
Charlie

Damned good advice.
You know, an Ipod touch might be nice. There's a number of apps available cheap related to machining, general math, etc. I use mine to listen to a Sydney talk radio station, piped through my shop stereo. But if I want to do some quick calcs, I can get the appropriate app up and running and get my numbers, faster than I can even find the appropriate page in Machinery's Handbook. Well, for such info as I have an app for....
And Jim Rowe of SmartCalculations.com has ported his program to the Ipod as Machinist Pro. It's the most expensive app I've bought, but is very slick and easy to use. I bought both the inch and hard metric versions. Have almost a full screen of machining and other technical apps.
Jon

Her boyfriend is an ex-marine no problem--horn dawgs will be beat to a pulp and
--besides, I've raised her to to be pretty liberal...so she's fairly tolerant of the old-school grab assed crap but she'll will only put up with so much of the mindfuck crapola and she also has a 38 cal heater in her purse.
Some good ideas anyways and thanks you guys--I think a vintage machinery handbook might be a good addition.
Dang now last I heard they are maybe wanting to move her to days and have her take some preliminary courses on Catia and so the toolbox thing might become moot.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Gary"
Why, yes of course I have....
By the way, we are an exibitor and so I will be monstrating some of our product in Puyallup at the Fairgrounds over this weekend--not sure of the booth number but feel free to stop by say howdy if you have some free time.
Or maybe just have a beer later-we'll be at the relative's place up in covington afterwards, maybe I'll try your cell tomorrow...

It's tomorrow. I'll make sure I keep it turned on and charged up. What's going on at the Fairgrounds?

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