lock picking the club

Most car theives are not professional car theives.

So some car theives use tow trucks? Many don't. Those with access to a good tow truck can make plenty of legitimate money."

I agree to your point that someone who owns a tow truck can make 'legitimate money' but they can also go out shopping for 'car parts' if they happen to run an automotive repair shop... Gee making $1000 of mark-up on a part that they stole from a car and cost them nothing to obtain can even make honest people these days get greedy...

In other news: What was the point of this thread ???

-- That 'club' steering wheel locks can be picked ??? (This was one question that nobody even had to answer)

-- That 'club' steering wheel locks can be cut with power tools ??? (True but unlikely isn't it ??? I mean if someone has power tools they could use them to make 'legitimate' money couldn't they ???)

-- That 'club' steering wheel locks make a car just a tiny bit more annoying to steal ??? (True but then everyone began assuming that a car thief has a pocket blow torch or is packing a miniature jaws of life...)

-- That I am not a 'locksmith' and nothing I ever post will be taken seriously until I have a designation of: CRL, CPL, or CML from the ALOA ??? (Lets at least figure out the real reason why you don't like what I have to say)

-- That you have some fundamental reading disability ??? (I CLEARLY STATED in my first post that it is a 'moot point' simply because 'professional' car thieves understand what measures are taken to PREVENT auto theft and have taken time to learn about them, knowledge much like locksmiths who work on cars learn -- and that it would not make much of a difference to a 'professional')

"Putyourspamhere" wrote in a message:

" -- How long do you think it's going to take the police to track the car once they get the report and the information that the car is trackable. They have lots of incentive because there's always the chance they can recover many more cars and bust a major ring."

How long does it take for the car owner to report the vehicle as STOLEN... That assumes facts not declared elsewhere in the thread and we could spend days disputing that period of time which varies...

"Putyourspamhere" wrote in a message:

" -- <sigh> once again your rambling on about that which you know little. Don't you ever learn?"

Ok... so you think I am rambling... That is YOUR opinion, and even if it is shared by others here why do you think that your opinion is better than anyone else's... Or is it that fact that I am not a professional again that taints your opinion... If you are going to insult me at least use proper GRAMMER... [your] should be [you are, or you're]... You do want to appear knowledgeable don't you -- or do you think making simple grammatical errors is ok because you are only nit-picking what you see as 'rambling' in your opinion ??? You are a professional and therefore educated are you not ???

And yes I am learning that locksmiths think that they understand how the entire world works... But do you really ??? Will you openly say that ??? I don't claim to know everything...

Evan the maintenance man

In other words he got his information first hand from the cars owner.

Buy fifteen arrests. That must have made the news especially since your local news from your previous statement spends so much time covering auto theft. How about a source?

What is laughable is that you once again completely miss the point. So what if you have to call and report it? People tend to report their car stolen when it turns up missing. It's funny but it's the first thing they usually do. Why would the monitoring service want to monitor at all times anyway? What good would that do if they didn't know the car was STOLEN? How does not tracking until the car is reported stolen compromise the system? It's a rhetorical question since I know you have no idea.

That isn't "terminology". It's the difference beyween singular and plural and although it may have taxed you the rest of us understood what he meant. Terminology would be using the word "thief" or the word "criminal" for example.

So what? Many car thieves don't use tow trucks and most car thieves are not professionals. You already agreed to that thus seriously damaging if not destroying your earlier argument. Because a small fraction of thieves may in fact be skilled, prepared and a tow truck equipped does not make extra security measures like the "club" useless.

You would be taken seriously if you made sense or posted things that were factually correct. Unfortunately for the most part you don't and haven't. Sure you have been correct on a few things but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

To which I stated that most car thieves are not professional car thieves and thus your point is completely invalid with regard to most car thieves. Because

20 out of a hundred can and do come prepared to defeat a security measure does not mean the measure is useless since it still thwarts the other 80%. Try to keep up. I know it's hard for you.

That's easy in this case because my opinion is supported by logic where as yours runs directly contrary to it.

Or is it that fact that I am not a professional again that

ROFLOL I always love to see a gramatical error or misspelling attacked in an argument such as this. It's clear evidence that the attacker has lost all logical debate and is falling back on the only thing they have left. Thank you. YOU'RE statement is as good as a concession.

You are a professional and therefore educated are you not ???

See above. Thank you for conceding again. LOL :).

You understand little.

That's good because from your posting you KNOW very little.

You want it go and find it -- its out there ??? I could ask you to provide your trade assocation membership numbers but that is as unlikely to occur as me giving you all the answers... I am tired of you picking apart everything I say so I will choose to use your own words against you :

Umm because car theft is not a very interesting crime unless it involves some kind of police chase... You know a 'newsworthy one' on the order of the famous white bronco...

How is it that you answer your own questions in other posts -- or is it that you only do that for the effect that is has on your audience of 'fellow' locksmiths... I hope that you get what you are giving out some day -- there is a match out there for you somewhere... I however will only stick to the questions that you consider 'trival' until I have the ALL WORSHIPPED 'CRL' designation after my name -- but when I do YOU HAD BETTER FUCKING RESPECT that... Somehow I doubt that you would...

Evan the maintenance man

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Yes. "You're" was intentionally misused instead of the correct "your" since it seems to irk you. I did it on purpose. I plead guilty. LOL

Acutally it should have been "boy".

fifteen arrests. That must have made the news especially since

In other words you made it up and can't provide a source. It isn't up to others to search through every event in the news and on the web that resulted in fifteen arrests to back up the statement you made up in the first place.

I could ask you to provide

None of that is relevant to any particular statement. You stated a specific factual incident. It is not unreasonable to ask that you support it with a source. Of course I knew you couldn't.

It's not my fault that most of what you say can be torn apart so easily. Look in the mirror to find the culprit. As to using my own words against me, when are you going to start? LOL

So you agree. Then how could you derrive so much knowledge of car theft from watching the news as you stated earlier? Try to remember what you make up from one moment to the next.

None of the above. You're just too slow to keep up or to remember what you state from one post to the next, and apparantly are also to dense to look at what of yours was quoted, which is bad since I have a tendancy to overquote if anything.

I hope that you get what you are giving out some day -- there

How will you ever decide? I mean the world is your oyster. You after all appear to be a world class expert in vehicle tracking systems, computer security, electronic security, as well as humble locksmithing. I am flattered that such a gifted individual as yourself would consider locksmithing as a career choice. LOL

My god man you're raving. Wipe the foam from your mouth. LOL

I never stated that I watched the news...

If you are going to insult someone PLEASE make sure that you are sending that insult to the correct person....

That was Aegis in his post:

I watch the local news.

None of this changes the fact that car thieves

So, what I gather from you is the Club is a worthy investment IF you always park next to an identical vehicle that doesn't also have the Club... I'll agree with that.

Um... Ok.

LOL Once again you suck at MAKING a point. You said "Same make same model same everything except the club or whatever brand steering lock on the wheel

1 will get you 10 the thief is going for the one w/o the extra security"

How freagin often does the same make/model part next to each other? Pull your head out and you might comprehend something yourself.

Once again you show your lack of ability to actually MAKE a point.

Really? Do 'most' car thieves come to your house for BBQ and share that info?

Great... You can make $50k a year with a tow truck PLUS another $200k a year stealing them for parts chopping. But NOONE in this country would do that would they? Guess I should stop using those pesky locks on my car, huh? Fat chance.

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I gave up on him. he is just stuck on his side of the fence.

g'day

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touch on: Will those

steel building or

have to do some

Evan and take a wild A@#

would think On-Star may be stronger than Lo-jack. however, its just my opinion with nothing to back it up :-)

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g'day

---- "Key

PYSH has probably forgotten more than you have ever known about this field. so try trolling your boat down another stream.

my2

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if ya can't keep up then stop responding.

no flame, just fact

Oh I'm sorry! I didn't realize he was The Club master! And you must be the Boy Wonder!

Shhh... Aegis -- we must bow before the 'masters' for they understand all and all of us (the people who question their knowledge) are just considered 'unworthy' and 'uneducated' by them... One wonders if they were googling the same websites to read...

As of YET -- none of them have offered up any proof of GM Factory certification on the 'On-Star' system -- which means that they are saying that their conclusions are better than ours...

Evan the maintenance man

As has been stated to you before your constant inability to comprehend has nothing to do with the logic or credibility of that which you fail to understand.

No. I base my statement on the cars I have repaired which were OBVIOUSLY not stolen (or attempted to be stolen) by a professional. Ask anyone here. They will all tell you that theft damage they repair is typically more destructive and likely required more time than other methods would have. The most common method I see is to jam a screwdriver or similar tool in the lock and attempt to turn which unless used on one of the relative few manufacturers locks it works well on usually results in an utter failure to do anything except break the lock/housing/dash/column/etc so that you couldn't start the car even with the key. Actually I have yet to see one other than those used on one particular manufacturer (I'm sure most of you know who it is) where the method used was the most efficient.

Here you clearly demonstrate your complete inability to think or reason logically. Obviously you are being sarcastic and you think people do in fact steal cars with tow trucks, and some do, but those are the ones who if properly equipped don't NEED to unlock your car. Any tow truck with a wheel lift, a decent winch and a competent ballsy operator can snatch 9 out of ten cars w/o ever opening them. The reason you lock your car is to stop those who are poorly equipped/under motivated which is the same reason you would want to add a steering wheel locking bar to your cars security.

You simply confuse your inability to comprehend with the vailidity of the point in question. It's ok. I don't hold it against you. You can't help it.

You said "Same make same model

If you can't see that the analogy is just as true for any situation where there are two more or less equally valuable equally in demand vehicles in close proximity, or for that matter along the would be thiefs entire route of travel then you likely lack the intelligence to comprehend even if it's spelled out for you.

It's not that others are the masters or all knowing. It's simply that when you and Aegis (are you related or maybe even the same person?) post it quickly becomes clear that you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Because your conclusions and assertions defy logic and numerous news reports which contradict your postion. Meanwhile neither of you has posted anything whatsoever to back up your assetions which for the most part are unsupportable and completely illogical except within the confines of your rather vivid imaginations. Add to that that you lose credibility every time you post, for example by recently posting that Best SFIC is a "high security lock" when in fact it is nothing of the sort.

Actually in one post I did mix him up with his brother Aegis. They are so similar I feel it's a pardonable error.