lock picking the club

David H.

This is assuming they have what they need to do it and they know how. You don't really think 60 min picked their thief at random do you? Most car theives today are not especially skilled, hence the ever increasing rate of carjacking vs simple theft.

You tend to stand out walking down the street with bolt cutters or a makita grinder stuck in your pocket.

New member here...soon to be locksmith...just wanted to reply to your message...great answer...if one is in the field they WILL know how to remove so called object without damage to anything...given they've had the correct training and practice...anyone can CUT the lock off if need be...on a general note...if one really wants to secure thier vehicle from being taken they should have a cut off switch installed under the dash somewhere...enjoying all the good reads so far...tc

That's for a thief that's prepared. Most car theives don't want to be caught carrying bolt cutters or hacksaws. It makes it too easy for the cops to bust them when they are spotted loitering, even if they haven't done anything yet.

If two identical cars are parked side by side, the one that looks easiest is the one thay will break into first.

Daniel

P.S. That's assuming a level of common sense frequently lacking in criminals. Look at how many times they bust the passenger window when the drivers side is rolled down.

This is exactly the point. The vast majority of criminals are basically lazy anyway, add to that even a tiny bit of intelligence and they don't want to work any longer or harder than they absolutely have to. Afterall if they did stealing would become like work which would defeat the point I guess.

This will probably be the thief who isn't prepared enough to remove the club either though.

Don't know where you live or how things are there, but I can tell you this: In my area the car thieves (not some teenager stoned out of his mind walking down the road) drive up and down the roads in neighborhoods looking for a target. Not sure of all their criteria, but I know they are looking for certain makes and models. They DO carry a set of tools ("I'm a carpenter, Officer.") They don't care if the target has a Club or not, they are taking it.

How do you "know" any of this? None of this changes the fact that car thieves and most other people for that matter, all things being equal will follow the path of least resistance. Same make same model same everything except the club or whatever brand steering lock on the wheel 1 will get you 10 the thief is going for the one w/o the extra security. It's just common sense.

It is all a moot point...

The professional car theif knows how to get around security measures... Someone who is really good at it will just two the car away... (Invision someone using a flatbed tow truck)

Then it doesn't really matter if the car has an alarm, a club lock on the steering wheel, or transponder type keys for security...

Its still gone all the same... Carried away to be striped down for parts at a chop shop or to be rummaged through in a private place and dumped somewhere at a later time...

Think I am wrong ??? When was the last time you paid much attention to someone on a busy city street towing a car away...

Evan the maintenance man

I watch the local news.

None of this changes the fact that car thieves

So, what I gather from you is the Club is a worthy investment IF you always park next to an identical vehicle that doesn't also have the Club... I'll agree with that.

security measures...

away... (Invision

club lock on the

down for parts at

and dumped

attention to

what about on-star or a similar tracking device ?

Right.

That's only half the story. It's assuming a professional and well equipped thief.

Not all aspiring car thieves are well equipped or have a flatbed tow truck.

So you still get some prevention against them.

The logic is analgous to getting an alarm or safe for use at home. A sufficiently skilled and well equipped burglar can defeat the alarm and/or penetrate the safe. Does that make you recommend against alarms and safes? (Or to say that a relatively inexpensive safe is worthless?)

something like that, UNLESS... you got a car on their 'want list'

--Shiva--

LOL -- A professional auto thief would only remain in possesion of the car long enough to strip it of anything deemed 'valuable' and then however long it takes to dump it... On-Star or Lo-jack or other such systems would only have the value at that point of telling the authorities where to find whatever is left of the car...

On-Star and Lo-jack work in a manner where you have to ALERT them to someone having taken your car... Until YOU have to contact them when you are DRIVING so they know that such movement of your vehicle is authorized then your suggestion that the cars' location meaning anything to such companies is a really funny joke...

Evan the maintenance man

possesion of the car

then however long

systems would only

where to find

ALERT them to someone

when you are

authorized then

to such companies

where do you get your information ? its not completely correct. Had a friend that had his car ripped off and on-star recovered it in 15 minutes and also caught the thief's. Post some references so you will appear creditable instead of just someone running their mouth about something without anything to back up their statements.. g'day

So you get your information from a friend who was 'immediately aware' that his car was stolen and promptly took actions to retrieve it...

I get my information from a discovery which I made while at work four years ago that broke up a major car theft ring and lead to fifteen arrests...

What about my statement was inaccurate ??? Do you as the car's owner have to notify On-Star or Lo-Jack that you are driving from one place to another ??? NO... So the 'locator' feature is useless until you give them a reason to WANT to know where your car is... I.E.: Reporting it stolen to the 'customer care' call center... They are not monitoring the location of your car at all times... They don't have the man power at the call center nor the desire to do so...

Plus I will point out that the plural of thief is thieves...

You know as it has been said here TERMINOLOGY is IMPORTANT...

Evan the maintenance man

You only think so because as so often before you have missed the point yet again.

Most car theives are not professional car theives.

So some car theives use tow trucks? Many don't. Those with access to a good tow truck can make plenty of legitimate money.

How long do you think it's going to take the police to track the car once they get the report and the information that the car is trackable. They have lots of incentive because there's always the chance they can recover many more cars and bust a major ring.

What's your point? Is there one? Customer reports car stolen, car is tracked, thief if still in possession which is quite possible is busted. Not complicated or especially difficult to understand.

Here why don't you get in touch with all the people named in various stories accessable from the link below and let them know that they really weren't arrested and charged with car theft because lojack and similar are really nothing to worry about. And that's just one web search. Not even a news specific search, on only two key words.

LOL The same place he gets most of his information. His imagination.

No couldn't have. You must be mistaken because Evan the maintenance man who is a vehicle tracking system expert as well as a master locksmith and computer security expert says those systems don't work ;). The irony is the one very real potential problem I can think of he doesn't even touch on: Will those systems fundtion from within a steel structure e.g. a steel building or shipping container? Anybody know? Why or why not? I'll have to do some research on that. Although I guess I could just be like Evan and take a wild A@# guess and state it as a fact one way or the other.

That's really not fair. If he has to substantiate what he posts he won't be able to post anymore. LOL.