Bayonet ID

They were but not in the military.

And a lousy gun that you know well, beats one that you don't.

lol!!

The russian experience...indeed. I know a number of emigris from the old soviet union...Latvia, the Ukraine, Georgia....

ive hung out in russian coffee houses, listened to the old music....

It will take generations of outbreeding to get rid of the paranoia, the deep dispair and the cynisism from their gene pool.

shrug...

Gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

and to be accurate..they were nkvd as the kgb wasnt formed until 1954

But chekists they were indeed.

Gunn er

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

true indeed. ss and the rare gru for the most part...however they were nearly always used on troops other than Germans...the germans had many non german allies fighting along side of them...many of them victims of the soviets

cossacks, turks, ukrainians, albainians. romanians, bulgarians, etc etc

they were used extensively during the Battle of Kursk and during the final retreat to Berlin..though then it was mostly ss troops used.

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

ooops...you just passed from stupid to utter embicile

well after ww2, the nagant revolver was the standard sidearm of the russian military..and the political officers.

Its still used today by some russian police forces

gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

it wasnt phased out from regular army use until 1950 or later

interesting revolver...the sole type of revolver that a silence can be affixed to it.

gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

passed to a higher plane of stupid...fascinating!

you guys sure can do things properly!

gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

whats a #9?

Gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

Pretty well.

Needs to have the hard plates in the armor for it to have a decent stop on pointy objects.

Saw a video many years back. DeSantis, IIRC. Room full of cops. Guy laid their entire soft armor collection over a block of putty, all the while, giving the patter about each level of protection.

Then he say's "If you were wearing ALL of these, you'd be pretty much invincible if you walked into an alley, right?"

While the cops in the front row are all nodding their heads, the guy pulled a knife out from behind his back, and thunked it through the whole stack.

Some pretty wide eyes in the front coupla rows, in the video!

Pointed bullets and pointed or cutting objects will either part or cut the aramid materials of the soft armor.

Cheers Trevor Jones

I think this is mostly all you could say? Your "metal" content is significantly higher then in this areas. Military man is always military man. This is the diagnose - not compliment.

And in your case..the diagnosis is 'stupid is as stupid does"

you have been consistantly and blatantly utterly wrong in every aspect you have posted on in this thread.

one hopes you are a better machinist than a miltary historian let alone any sort of authority on weapons.

Gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

many years ago when I was playing deputy sherriff...the Second Chance sales drone put up a panel of kevlar and had everyone take a shot at it with whatever they happened to be carrying off duty. An astute fellow mentioned that even a mudflap would deflect a bullet when hung by the top, so they fastened it to a 6x6 post and had at it again..beating the hell out of the post...blunt force trauma at its best.

then i went out to the truck and brought in my bow and a couple arrows with broadheads and proceeded to nail a double layer of panels to the post, and finished it off with a common icepick.

The sales droid got a bit red faced at that point.....shrug

never promise what you cant deliver when it comes to life safety gear.

somone may survive and beat you to death with it.

Many of the early vests would be penetrated through and through by a simple .22 pistol, even though they would stop a .45

Gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

You mean 9 pound rifle, right?

I don't have Gunner's experience but I understood body armor to be protection from blast fragments. The answer to the bayonet is your own weapon.

military body armor indeed used to be primarily for shrapnel protection, but its gotten so good, thats its got projectile ratings

Civilian body armor of course is primarily projectile protection.

the best protection from a bayonet is a tot artillery barrage on the oncoming enemy troops.

or massed machine guns in enfilade.

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"              mariposa rand mair theal

I was on an anti-terrorist squad (a joke!) in Germany and wore one of the nylon ballistic vests with waterproof inner covers. It was comfortable when we were inactive in 40F weather. I can't imagine wearing one on patrol at 40C.

Second Chance, never made it to one of their shoots doing their heyday. Sadly, that jap fiber they used in some body armour ruined them financially.

Second Chance is within a gallon or to of gas from me.

Wes

I didn't weigh my Garand. Of course with the lead bars in the cleaning tools cavity it is likely a bit heavier.

Wes

On Jun 9, 8:07=A0pm, Gunner Asch wrote: =2E..

I know that sad-eyed look of resignation but I think it's only in the culture. The Russians raised outside their community I've met were indistinguishable from other Americans.

The real female sniper portrayed in "Enemy at the Gates" was from New York.

a "6#" held upside down?

-- pyotr filipivich "I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender whether they served zombies he said, ?Sure, what'll you have?'" from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries