me what it is.
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17 years ago
This is on my friends site... Hopefully someone here can tell
me what it is.
me what it is.
Can you identify this?
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- posted
17 years ago
Looks like one heck of a press - steam powered maybe based on item #2?
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17 years ago
#1 is a tool used to reinstall the back on old stainless-body Casio
watches after replacing the battery. Mine seems to need a battery
every 8 years or so even though I don't check the time near as often
as I used to.
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17 years ago
Hi Chunk,
I think it's a blacksmith's drop hammer. It's only a
small one, here is one a bit bigger.
The steam is used to lift and hold the hammer up, then drop it. You can see the cylinder that lifts the hammer weight up at the top in you friends picture. The control of the hammers demonstrated by the blacksmiths was amazing to me, sadly the blacksmiths I knew are gone now, though I recently saw one of our old hammers sitting at a museum.
regards,
John
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Our backsmiths shop had two of these, both a bit smaller than the one in
your friends picture, 2 hundred weight if I recall correctly. They were made
by Alldays & Onions in the UK, and what our blacksmiths could do with them
was amazing to watch, and feel ! Ours had the steam replaced with an
electric motor driven blower/compressor.The steam is used to lift and hold the hammer up, then drop it. You can see the cylinder that lifts the hammer weight up at the top in you friends picture. The control of the hammers demonstrated by the blacksmiths was amazing to me, sadly the blacksmiths I knew are gone now, though I recently saw one of our old hammers sitting at a museum.
regards,
John
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17 years ago
Power trip hammer?
Gunner
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Gunner
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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17 years ago
I wonder how many of them were stone deaf when that picture was taken?
Gunner
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunner
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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17 years ago
I saw one of those working in New Jersey about 10-12 years ago. We
had flown in to Newark to visit the Polymer Processing Institute,
located at Stevens Institute of Technology in Hoboken. On the way
back to the airport, we stopped at a light, and I noticed the most
godawful racket and thumping. I looked into a corrugated tin shop
next to us. Everything was in silhouette because it was grimy black,
but large doors were open on both ends of the building. A couple of
black outlines in safety gear, with long tools of some kind, were
positioning a huge glowing billet in a hammer like that, only larger.
The hammer was striking about 1/second. The billet must have been
supported by rollers or something, because it was maybe 10" square and
several feet long.
The light changed, and we went on.
Pete Keillor
The light changed, and we went on.
Pete Keillor
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17 years ago
I bet they trusted each other, though.
Steve
Steve
- posted
17 years ago
These pictures, especially the last one (railroad carriages) strongly
remind me of Russia. We used to play war among that stuff as kids.
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17 years ago
I can imagine that looking at the original picture that there is probably
just about as much mass under ground that we are not seeing as there is
above the ground and a likely reason that it is still there and everything
else is gone.
lg
no neat sig line
- posted
17 years ago
Looks like a Nazel Power hot forging hammer.
The Blacksmith guys love these things. The hammers are rated by the weight of the moving part. The bottom or sow block is typically 16x the mass of the moving part. This is all from memory. Check out,
The Blacksmith guys love these things. The hammers are rated by the weight of the moving part. The bottom or sow block is typically 16x the mass of the moving part. This is all from memory. Check out,
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Lipton- posted
17 years ago
It is probably an air operated swaging or forging hammer similar to a
blacksmiths forging hammer. The tank showen is likely the air
reciever. These things used a large volume of air. The swagers I
worked on as an apprentice were used to squeeze down the end of
alluminum extrusions which were then pulled through a die to reduce
the size and give a better finish and hardness. The whole area around
these pictures looks like it was once inside a building probably a
heavy fabrication shop or such. One old shop near here ( closed and
torn down in the 60's) fabricated railway locomotives. The often used
just the rail car trucks to move very heavy peices from one section of
the factory to another. Just a guess. Hope this helps.
Herb
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17 years ago
By the way, the reilroad carriage looks like it came from a
locomotive, not a train car, as the photo caption says. Look at the
piece around the middle of the axle, the only purpose that I can think
of is power transmission from the engine to the axle.
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- posted
17 years ago
That's a powered rail truck - the gearbox you see at the left of the
inner axle probably has a set of spur gears inside. And if you look
in the middle, parallel to the axles and under the truck pivot point
where the train car goes, you'll probably find a traction motor.
The power leads would go up through the hollow center of the pivot point into the car. For an all-electric catenary system the tracks are the ground, for a diesel-electric they would make a full circuit.
Want to build a self-propelled rail car? ;-)
It would take a bigger power source than your little 6.5KW Onan (though that little bugger would be perfect for lights and heat when not underway), and you need one built for 600 VDC or 1,200 VDC output to match the motor voltage (unless you want to start with 480 VAC and build some serious control electronics) but there are the raw materials.
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The power leads would go up through the hollow center of the pivot point into the car. For an all-electric catenary system the tracks are the ground, for a diesel-electric they would make a full circuit.
Want to build a self-propelled rail car? ;-)
It would take a bigger power source than your little 6.5KW Onan (though that little bugger would be perfect for lights and heat when not underway), and you need one built for 600 VDC or 1,200 VDC output to match the motor voltage (unless you want to start with 480 VAC and build some serious control electronics) but there are the raw materials.
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- posted
17 years ago
The first is a steam hammer. The third items are probably trucks from a
diesel electric locomotive.
Steve R.
Steve R.
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17 years ago
Looks like a steam powered hammer to me. They had one very similar in the
old forge shop at Spicer in Toledo OH when we tore it down in the '70s
tHAT
tHAT
- posted
17 years ago
#1 Sure looks like a drop hammer, from a blacksmith's shop.
#2 Trucks off a small industrial locomotive, maybe a Whitcomb or Davenport, I'd have to drag some books out to tell for sure. These were very common around quarries and gravel pits. Many of these were actually mechanical drives, the gearbox hanging from the axle looks small for a traction motor.
Paul
#2 Trucks off a small industrial locomotive, maybe a Whitcomb or Davenport, I'd have to drag some books out to tell for sure. These were very common around quarries and gravel pits. Many of these were actually mechanical drives, the gearbox hanging from the axle looks small for a traction motor.
Paul
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17 years ago
Makes sense.
Sure. We had electric trains in the are where I grew up.
I hope that I could use my transformers there
Sure. We had electric trains in the are where I grew up.
I hope that I could use my transformers there
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17 years ago
The thing I thought was a bit strange about these hammers at first, is that
the bottom block is not connect all that rigidly to the hammer. I saw one
being dismantled, and the cast base looked very flimsy, but buried below it
in the ground was a timber structure about six feet square and 6 feet deep.
I guess the hammer didn't need to be that rigidly connected to the bottom
block because it just drops the weight, it doesn't power the weight down or
squeese the forging, just gravity. The buried timber base was there to
spread the weight of the impact on the bottom block, and make sure it didnt
slowly sink into the ground.
regards,
John
regards,
John
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17 years ago
The hammer in the picture is a steam powered open die forging hammer.
I'm pretty sure that is the proper name. It does indeed have power
applied in the down stroke. A drop hammer, a term others have used
here, uses gravity for the down stroke. The drop hammer has the
advantage of being very controllable for single strokes such as
coining. Crank it up, let it drop.
A Nazel air hammer has an air compressor built in. It's not really an air compressor as much as it is an engine driven piston with air coupling to the hammer. There is always a big lump on the back of the hammer for the piston.
The anvils for steam hammers and Nazel/Chambersburg style air hammers are only attached for positioning. In the case of the hammer foundation you saw dismantled, below the timbers should have been a block of concrete if it was a large hammer. The 11th edition of "Machinery's Handbook" has a section on their construction. The concrete is used to keep the hammer from driving the anvil into the ground.
Cheers,
Kelley
A Nazel air hammer has an air compressor built in. It's not really an air compressor as much as it is an engine driven piston with air coupling to the hammer. There is always a big lump on the back of the hammer for the piston.
The anvils for steam hammers and Nazel/Chambersburg style air hammers are only attached for positioning. In the case of the hammer foundation you saw dismantled, below the timbers should have been a block of concrete if it was a large hammer. The 11th edition of "Machinery's Handbook" has a section on their construction. The concrete is used to keep the hammer from driving the anvil into the ground.
Cheers,
Kelley